Venting.

[Landen Se-Sentien]

Yeah....we don't have people skillz

My wife does, which is part of the reason she struggled in school, but also explains why professors and classmates loved her, helped her, and rooted for her.

It's also helping her current job, which is technical purchasing. She can look at the specs of the drawing and materials, and she can explain it in a way that the manufacturers understand, and she can use her people skills to get it done quickly. If they say, "Can't it just be made out of _____ ? It would save you a whole lot of money." Most buyers would have to get back to them after bugging the engineer, whereas my wife can immediately come back with, "No. ____ can only tolerate temperatures up to x degrees, and I need it to tolerate y degrees."

This prevents a lot of time being wasted on everyone's end.

[Rapine]

Yeah....we don't have people skillz

And, no offence to you at all Darth Logos, but Engineers have no place educating.

Smart as whips - can't teach to save a life.

My year one math prof was an Engineer.  Just could not see how anyone would "not get" something.

I did fine.  Others - not so much.

[Darth Logos]

My wife dies

That's so sad.

And, no offence to you at all Darth Logos, but Engineers have no place educating.

Smart as whips - can't teach to save a life.

My year one math prof was an Engineer.  Just could not see how anyone would "not get" something.

I did fine.  Others - not so much.

I am offended. If an "engineer" can't be creative enough to effectively explain an idea to someone, then they are a terrible engineer. What's the good of having a world changing idea if you can't explain it? My profs and TAs loved my reports because I was good at the explaining part. I got that from applying the best acvice I was ever given about how to write a technical report. "Write the report under the assumption that whoever reads it has no clue what you're talking about, and needs everything explained."

This wasn't a calculus class was it?

[Landen Se-Sentien]

That's so sad.

That was supposed to say "does." I fixed it. Yeah, that would be sad.

[Rapine]

That's so sad.

I am offended. If an "engineer" can't be creative enough to effectively explain an idea to someone, then they are a terrible engineer. What's the good of having a world changing idea if you can't explain it? My profs and TAs loved my reports because I was good at the explaining part. I got that from applying the best acvice I was ever given about how to write a technical report. "Write the report under the assumption that whoever reads it has no clue what you're talking about, and needs everything explained."

This wasn't a calculus class was it?

Nope - just plain, applied mathematics.

I'm sorry I offended you.  Perhaps he was an isolated case, but I do remember peers complaining of other "vague" engineer profs.

I fully understand the need for clarity - especially in reports.  At the lab where I worked, management made all of the "big" decisions, but they had merely a basic knowledge of chemistry.
Any time a change needed to be made, it had to be explained why very clearly.  It was like telling five year olds sometimes.

[Landen Se-Sentien]

Nope - just plain, applied mathematics.

I'm sorry I offended you.  Perhaps he was an isolated case, but I do remember peers complaining of other "vague" engineer profs.

I fully understand the need for clarity - especially in reports.  At the lab where I worked, management made all of the "big" decisions, but they had merely a basic knowledge of chemistry.
Any time a change needed to be made, it had to be explained why very clearly.  It was like telling five year olds sometimes.

That's because managers are more often business people and not necessarily people from that field.

My school board is all business people. They're great at making business deals that favor my school in terms of discounts, fundraising, etc., but they just don't get the need for certain decisions about personnel or students.

[Darth Logos]

That was supposed to say "does." I fixed it. Yeah, that would be sad.

I knew.

Nope - just plain, applied mathematics.

WOW! That's bad. At some level I can sympathize with him, though. Algebra and Geometry are the life blood of engineering. So trying to explain some things might be like trying to teach someone how to chew.

I'm sorry I offended you.  Perhaps he was an isolated case, but I do remember peers complaining of other "vague" engineer profs.

I'm more offended that I share a profession with that putz. But there is a really good reason why the field of "engineering" is so diversified. We're not all good at the same things. I worked with a master electrician; knew more about electricity than any of my professors did in college, but couldn't use CAD to show it electronically.

I fully understand the need for clarity - especially in reports.  At the lab where I worked, management made all of the "big" decisions, but they had merely a basic knowledge of chemistry.
Any time a change needed to be made, it had to be explained why very clearly.  It was like telling five year olds sometimes.

Maybe, but a good manager should have at least a rudimentary understanding of the processes that they supposedly manage. If you need 4 molar HCL and they order 3 molar, there's an issue, but most won't think that a 1 molar difference is that big a deal. It's still hydrochloric acid. When in truth there is a huge difference.

[Darth Abaddon]

I always assume everything is a trap. That's why the salesmen haven't got me yet.

Whatever. Learn to read a print. Kidding aside, you would like my prints.

Learn to draw it right the first time so I don't have to improvise. 

[Darth Logos]

Learn to draw it right the first time so I don't have to improvise. 

Like I said, you haven't been able to work off one of my prints.


PS: Improvising can be a dangerous idea.

[Darth Abaddon]

Like I said, you haven't been able to work off one of my prints.


PS: Improvising can be a dangerous idea.

That's what I'm living right now.. In three weeks the build designs have changed steadily. Every day there are at minimum three changes that we suddenly have to adapt to.

I get that it's growing pains but it's frustrating when your supervisor says "It look good but now we have to add/subtract/completely change this from now on."

And Logos, P.S. (since I'm in a smartass mood  ) I know well enough about my trade that I know what can and can't be changed/improvised to have the build be done the way it needs to without damaging the structural integrity of said build. And in the rare event that I'm not sure, I verify before I start.

[Darth Logos]

That's what I'm living right now.. In three weeks the build designs have changed steadily. Every day there are at minimum three changes that we suddenly have to adapt to.

I get that it's growing pains but it's frustrating when your supervisor says "It look good but now we have to add/subtract/completely change this from now on."

And Logos, P.S. (since I'm in a smartass mood  ) I know well enough about my trade that I know what can and can't be changed/improvised to have the build be done the way it needs to without damaging the structural integrity of said build. And in the rare event that I'm not sure, I verify before I start.

I usually blame the customers for the inexplicably random stupid factor.

PS: I know you know. Welding would be one of few areas where I would trust that the tradesman knows more about what's going on than the engineer. I just wanted to see if you were paying attention.

PPS: Welding was not my forte in manufacturing processes. 

[Jev Moldara]

Like I said, you haven't been able to work off one of my prints.


PS: Improvising can be a dangerous idea.

Indeed it can. When I improvise... Well, my sig about Mad Science comes into play.

[Noctis]

I've probably ranted about this before, but allow me to do it again. 

I'm really sick of all the "writing advice" I see going around in my writing circles.  Said it not dead, there's nothing wrong with using adverbs in moderation, and if you are writing two characters of the same gender, it's 110% okay to refer to one of them by a physical characteristic in order to differentiate between the two instead of constantly using their names.  It does not "reduce them to parts." 

Yes, there are such things as proper grammatical structure and punctuation, but if the writing is doing its job, you needn't worry about any of the above-mentioned things.  There's no "one correct way" to write a story.  Go outside.

[Jev Moldara]

I've probably ranted about this before, but allow me to do it again. 

I'm really sick of all the "writing advice" I see going around in my writing circles.  Said it not dead, there's nothing wrong with using adverbs in moderation, and if you are writing two characters of the same gender, it's 110% okay to refer to one of them by a physical characteristic in order to differentiate between the two instead of constantly using their names.  It does not "reduce them to parts." 

Yes, there are such things as proper grammatical structure and punctuation, but if the writing is doing its job, you needn't worry about any of the above-mentioned things.  There's no "one correct way" to write a story.  Go outside.

I blame it on today's overly PC "mind my pronouns" crowd. Everyone is getting butthurt over things that ultimately don't matter.

[Darth Abaddon]

I usually blame the customers for the inexplicably random stupid factor.

PS: I know you know. Welding would be one of few areas where I would trust that the tradesman knows more about what's going on than the engineer. I just wanted to see if you were paying attention.

PPS: Welding was not my forte in manufacturing processes. 

Oh, I was paying attention  . Don't pay attention in my field and someone can die.

Welding is definitely not for everyone. You have to be a stubborn bastard with a high tolerance for pain, both physically from the burns and mentally for when the engineer screws up the print.