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« Reply #105 on: December 01, 2012, 02:40:23 PM »

Meat used as filling for pel'meni is usually spiced a little. Most recipes use onion and a small amount of black pepper, but I'm an onion-hater and prefer just pepper. You shouldn't use a lot of it, the end result should not be firebreathing.

If you use mashed potatoes or quark instead of meat, you'll get vareniki, or kolduny (Belarusian recipe) instead of pelmeni. Vareniki are usually half-circle-shaped, like Siberian pel\meni.

Thanks!  Grin
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« Reply #106 on: December 02, 2012, 05:51:12 AM »

So let us discuss that magic elixir of life...BBQ sauce.

To be clear, as we have several members in exotic (exotic to us, home to them lol) locations...BBQ sauce is that sauce that you put on meat (or veg if you lean that way) that you cook on the grill.

So it is actually grilled meat sauce, as true BBQ is a way of slow and low temp cooking...yes like most things we Americans love to make everything as complex as possible lol.

So do you make your sauce from scratch? modify a stock sauce? just use a particular brand?

This is one of my banner items, being a saucier I am a bit of a fanatic about my glaces' and sauces...but I will do my best to be on my best behavior  Cheesy
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« Reply #107 on: December 02, 2012, 05:54:31 AM »

My mom makes a bangin BBQ sauce.  It's sweet, not spicy but man, you cook chicken in it and it is the best thing ever.

I have no idea what's in it.
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« Reply #108 on: December 02, 2012, 06:34:17 AM »


So do you make your sauce from scratch? modify a stock sauce? just use a particular brand?


Yes, yes, and yes  Smiley

I do not always make scratch sauces, but most often I do.

Basic BBQ sauce for me is fruit, water, salt, sugar, black pepper, garlic, onion, and vinegar...cooked down and pureed smooth.

The fruit is often tomato, but as I am a true Southerner I do love me some peaches and peaches make wonderful BBQ sauce.

I have also used raisins/prunes, plums, apricot, pear, apple, and pineapple...but I find the stone fruit to be best if not using tomato.

I do like to add a significant amount of heat in the form of hot peppers...but at reasonable levels, so that people who still enjoy the taste of food can function afterwards  Smiley  I applaud those who like to eat food at a hot coal level of spice/heat, but that is not me  Smiley  

For one quart of BBQ sauce I normally add 4-5 jalapenos or 3-4 bird chilies or 1-2 habaneros.

A cool rule of thumb with hot peppers...cook early and have a building heat with each bite...or...cook late and have a sharp strong heat with the first and every bite...I prefer the slow burn.


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Ketchup is a favorite starter base, as is mustard.


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I am a fan of taking a cheap $1 BBQ sauce and using it a baseline to play with the flavors...reducing the sweetness...increasing the heat...introducing exotic flavors...etc.   I tend to have to cook for groups so any cost and time cutting efforts are welcome  Smiley
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« Reply #109 on: December 02, 2012, 03:07:45 PM »

... being a saucier...

I had my suspicions! Every dish you've described/shared here had a boss-sauce on it! It's funny how like minds end up on the Saberforums... the sauce aspect is my fave when cooking. I am a gravy man-of-ill-repute (can we say w**re on the forums? Cause that's what I am). I would sell my body for busfare for a mug of good gravy, and then just walk home anyway. Cheesy
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« Reply #110 on: December 02, 2012, 04:34:00 PM »

Gravy is a hallmark of a decent meat service, the magic of a pairing between a saucier and a rôtisseur  Smiley

The thickening agent is key in my book for gravy.

Most people only have flour as a thickener and rarely do they cook the gravy long enough to break the starch or cook the flour out and it has a grainy or pasty texture with an unfinished taste...a big slice of yuck.

This is one of the main reasons to flour your meat before roasting/broiling, if it is that type...a steak of course would be right out lol.  The flour gets cooked all the way through and the resulting remains or the fond is what will make the gravy gleam like gold.

I am a fan of using dry gravy mix as a proofing agent, much like adding spinach to a green sauce to proof the green color, the dry gravy will provide a measure of assistance for a quick or last minute gravy.

Now pan sauces, which is a quick sauce much like a gravy without the thickening binder, is a different matter...these should always be made fresh at the last minute before service.

There are a few surprising tricks for a gravy guru to apply for flavor that most would find odd.

Take a basic beef roast cooked with root veg and mirepoix...once the roast and remaining whole veg (cut larger if you want the veg to remain viable for separate service) is removed the meat juices (water, fat, and collagen), the softened/broken veg, and the darkened bits of fallen meat (this is the fond or found) all of this is the fodder of gravy dreams.

If the meat was dusted in flour to begin with then that remaining fond will be tempered with completely cooked flour, blend this liquid and it will bind together...gravy.

There are many many quick binders out there, it is just that most people do not have them in the kitchen or do not treat them correctly, regarding gravy.

flour...MUST be hydrated and then cooked completely, slow process and can easily burn

corn starch...this is great for a binder but mix the starch on the side in a separate bowl/cup with a little of the pre-gravy juice and mix all the way before adding...if adding directly then IT WILL CLUMP...into little ugly globs of goo...tasteless mushy goo...don't do it...AND it must be brought to a boil for a minute or two to crack the starch and release the hounds

and many more...but one of the easiest to use is blending the cooked veg with the juice and fond...this will bond very nicely without adding any extra cooking...pull, blend, serve

One of my tricks that is an instant fix for a loose or thin sauce is potato buds or instant mashed potatoes...just a tablespoon or two will quickly thicken, provide a nice mouth feel, and only needs a minute or two in a hot liquid to hydrate...hydrate only in the sauce, adding precooked mashed potatoes to a sauce will thicken it but requires more time to bind and will change the texture

Flavor tricks...

Beef or pork...ground ginger snaps, a tablespoon or so will add an exotic flavor as well as thicken a sauce

Pork...applesauce...1/2 cup, bit of texture but mostly aroma and a familiar flavor

Pork or poultry...whole berry cranberry sauce, a table spoon or two adds a rich color, bit of thickening, nice punch of fruit flavor, and that touch of tart

Any roasted meat...pumpkin pie filling...from a left over pie or out of the can, a tablespoon or two will thicken the sauce, add a familiar harvest or Thanksgiving hint of flavor, some texture (smoothness), and a pleasing color

Yep...likes me some gravy!

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« Reply #111 on: December 02, 2012, 04:49:37 PM »

Awesome! Thanks man! The only step I was missing there was the floured beef! That's a great idea!

We're having roasted beast tonight, and although we have a few dry packages, the drippings from mirepoix bed the beast sits on always get added, and yes, the beast shall be floured!

Thanks Rel! Photos to come!

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« Reply #112 on: December 02, 2012, 05:42:30 PM »

So let us discuss that magic elixir of life...BBQ sauce.

To be clear, as we have several members in exotic (exotic to us, home to them lol) locations...BBQ sauce is that sauce that you put on meat (or veg if you lean that way) that you cook on the grill.

So it is actually grilled meat sauce, as true BBQ is a way of slow and low temp cooking...yes like most things we Americans love to make everything as complex as possible lol.

So do you make your sauce from scratch? modify a stock sauce? just use a particular brand?

This is one of my banner items, being a saucier I am a bit of a fanatic about my glaces' and sauces...but I will do my best to be on my best behavior  Cheesy

I have yet to actually make my own barbecue sauce, but I plan to try some day.

When it comes to straight grilling, I like to use Jack Daniel's No.7 Barbecue Sauce.

However, if I am marinating something (be it chicken, beef, sausage, or whatnot), then I like to use a 50/50 mix of Hickory Honey BBQ sauce (brand doesn't matter, but I prefer KC Masterpiece) and fat free Italian Dressing (fat free is important, as the lack of oil allows for the two to mix properly). I also toss in some chopped garlic, lemon pepper, paprika, creole seasoning (only Tony Chacherie's will do), and a bit of Worcestershire sauce. Minimum of 4 hours marination (24 hours, ideally) and you have a deliciously marinated slab of meat to put on the grill. You can use the remaining marinade to baste the meat while its on the grill as well.
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« Reply #113 on: December 02, 2012, 08:42:49 PM »

I have yet to actually make my own barbecue sauce, but I plan to try some day.

When it comes to straight grilling, I like to use Jack Daniel's No.7 Barbecue Sauce.

Take the #7 and just use 1/2 - 1/3rd in a bowl...then make it yours.

Once you have a routine then reduce the store bought until it is all you.

I would say based upon previous thoughts on your tastes that this basic process would yield a desired result

1 cup #7 JD BBQ sauce or ketchup or ketchup and mustard or mustard
1 cup of the hot stuff
1 cup  the sweet stuff

Hot  stuff...adjust to taste of course
5-6 habanero chilies, sliced into rings or diced or mortar and pestled
2-3 cloves (toes) of garlic, minced or mortar and pestled
3-4 jalapeno chilies, sliced into rings or diced or mortar and pestled
1 tablespoon dried onion (NOT ONION SALT, which is an abomination)

Sweet stuff...adjust to taste
1/2 cup brown sugar
1/2 cup of preserves...I would say peach, but blackberry or even apple jelly would be nice...I would leave grape out of this for now unless you are a nutter for grape jelly

Put all three cups into a high wall pot (you are not reducing, just melding flavors), stirring often, med heat, covered...15mins or so...let cool.

Finish with taste...I omitted salt as there should be plenty, but salt to taste.

Use as is with chunks or blend smooth

Cheesy
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« Reply #114 on: December 03, 2012, 03:24:44 AM »

The roasted beast with gravy (and Yorkshire pudding - ohmnomnomnom).

Here are some shots of the meal before service! Everything worked out great, Rel! The beef was ridiculously tender for sirloin tip. Not sure what happened there and certainly not complaining!

Surveying the damage


The carved beastpile. OHMNOMNOM


A shot of the gravy, potatoes, and Yorkshires


Man, I love it when the in-laws visit for the weekend!
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« Reply #115 on: December 03, 2012, 03:27:34 AM »

The Yorkies, meat, and gravy all looked nommy!

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« Reply #116 on: December 03, 2012, 03:35:25 AM »

Yes, my wife booted me out of the project and took full ownership of it, and she did not fail in the least. As I wasn't the one who made it (this time), I can say that it was one of the best ones I had in a long time.
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« Reply #117 on: December 03, 2012, 05:32:25 AM »

PIE!

Do we have favorite pies out there?

Especially curious about our out of ConUS neighbors...do you gals and guys do pie out there?

Two types to consider here...savory and sweet!
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« Reply #118 on: December 03, 2012, 11:31:26 AM »

Raisin Pie. My grandma's scratch recipe. Absolutely delicious, and absolutely bad for you in every way.
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« Reply #119 on: December 03, 2012, 12:36:22 PM »

I take off for a three day weekend of drunken debauchery and come back to this??
WTH have YOU PEOPLE  done to my thread???




Psst I likey Keep it up!!! Well doner folks.
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