Sith or Jedi?

[Master Rel]

Yes no worries about mis or re directs from me

The potential for a sith who is tolerant and accepting is just as possible as a Jedi who has to reign in the urges to behave badly...though in most cases both examples would be at risk of sanctions from their respective orders.

Jedi seem to juggle with potential of using power as sith seem to want to juggle 10 flaming balls before learning to juggle any...complacency or recklessness.

I am of the mind that use if the force is much like pouring water into a container...both Jedi and sith want the container full so to better manage their place in their orders but the Jedi direct the use of a funnel so as not to spill and sith direct the dump lots over the container disregarding the excess that misses the mark.

Jedi fill their containers at a measured pace, some have larger containers and larger funnels.

The sith fill their containers in a rush of forced effort.

Both at the core know the "water" is energy and energy changes state if manipulated in certain ways...hence the body corruption seen in some sith...the excess "burned" them 

[Kitra]

Yes no worries about mis or re directs from me

The potential for a sith who is tolerant and accepting is just as possible as a Jedi who has to reign in the urges to behave badly...though in most cases both examples would be at risk of sanctions from their respective orders.

Jedi seem to juggle with potential of using power as sith seem to want to juggle 10 flaming balls before learning to juggle any...complacency or recklessness.

I am of the mind that use if the force is much like pouring water into a container...both Jedi and sith want the container full so to better manage their place in their orders but the Jedi direct the use of a funnel so as not to spill and sith direct the dump lots over the container disregarding the excess that misses the mark.

Jedi fill their containers at a measured pace, some have larger containers and larger funnels.

The sith fill their containers in a rush of forced effort.

Both at the core know the "water" is energy and energy changes state if manipulated in certain ways...hence the body corruption seen in some sith...the excess "burned" them 

The pouring water allegory lacks the quality of how to be able to use the force.
Someone with a lot of forceability/water may not be as powerful with someone lesser talented since the experience and focus is a quality of the outcome as well.
At least I would rather not use it to explain this theme.

I had no worries. I wasn’t sure if I could make myself clear enough since English is not my mothers tongue.

As well as I believe that most Jedis need to be trained in patience as well.
A lot of students had been known to indulge to heavily in their newfound / newly trained powers and needed the strong support of the teacher in order to not overdo themselves. They are normal human beings as well juggling with a power quite extraordinary.

[Master Rel]

Das Wasser-Beispiel ist viel zu einfach, um die Kraft zu beschreiben, die mehr Gestalt 

The force is a mystery and hard to make simple, the water pouring aspect was just considering an act of doing something compared to the whole of learning to use the force.

[Kitra]

Das Wasser-Beispiel ist viel zu einfach, um die Kraft zu beschreiben, die mehr Gestalt 

The force is a mystery and hard to make simple, the water pouring aspect was just considering an act of doing something compared to the whole of learning to use the force.

Oh are you experenced in the german language? Or did you just wanted to do me a favor?
Either way i smiled.

And i can see where you tryed to use simplicity to bestow a basic of understanind but since we got no total newcomers in the aspect of the force i believe we can go deeper and explain passages which are unclear in the process.

Kitra

[Master Rel]

Oh are you experenced in the german language? Or did you just wanted to do me a favor?
Either way i smiled.

And i can see where you tryed to use simplicity to bestow a basic of understanind but since we got no total newcomers in the aspect of the force i believe we can go deeper and explain passages which are unclear in the process.

Kitra

Lol mein Deutsch ist einfach wie ein kind am besten 

I have family in Germany and took some German for my required second language before switching to French...but I check my spelling before I send...hopefully I do not butcher the language too much 

Agreed on the more advanced force considerations...just remind those reading your posts, when things start getting hot, that English is not your first language...just in case there are some misunderstanding lol.

[Rina Ascura]

Oh are you experenced in the german language? Or did you just wanted to do me a favor?
Either way i smiled.

Happens sometimes in these forums. Certain members, including Relmeob and eerock, sometimes try to write to people from around the world in their native languages. The end result is sometimes several hovercrafts worth of eels, but it's fun.

[Darth Severus]

But there are a few simple aspects that are set in stone...Uncle Lucas followed a handful of established cultural and historical points of interest.  

The Jedi represent good, justice, and selflessness.

The sith represent evil, corruption, and selfishness
From Relmeob quote on May 20th


This may be a difference in viewing art, but I could care less what Uncle Lucas says he meant to say, or what he says he meant. The author creates the work of art, its viewers/readers define what he created.

You don't ask Vonnegut or Harper Lee or Mozart what they meant to create, because what they meant to create doesn't matter. What matters is what they did create. So if Lucas said he meant something that's great. Marx said he wasn't a Marxist and Camu said he wasn't an existientalist, while he is the second most famous existientalist writer of all time. I can say the RP character I created is supposed to be a good guy that doesn't change the fact he is corrupt self serving and manipulitive.

I haven't read too far into the EU so I'll keep this to the highest cannon, but in that what Lucas has looked over, what have the Jedi done to show that they represent good, justice and selflessness? The Sith I think Lucas did a decent job as representing them as you said, but he failed to do that with the Jedi?

[Kitra]

Lol mein Deutsch ist einfach wie ein kind am besten  

I have family in Germany and took some German for my required second language before switching to French...but I check my spelling before I send...hopefully I do not butcher the language too much  

Agreed on the more advanced force considerations...just remind those reading your posts, when things start getting hot, that English is not your first language...just in case there are some misunderstanding lol.

Your german is understandable if the context is known ^^
If I should be in a situation where someone might get hot than I might do so.
Yet I always try to be as diplomatic as possible in all my replys.
We are all here to learn and have fun aren’t we.

[Master Rel]

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I haven't read too far into the EU so I'll keep this to the highest cannon, but in that what Lucas has looked over, what have the Jedi done to show that they represent good, justice and selflessness? The Sith I think Lucas did a decent job as representing them as you said, but he failed to do that with the Jedi?

The good and justice that the Jedi have provided is a set measure.  With the day to day job of the Jedi being a cog in a greater machine of effort towards a goal of justice through honesty and ethical support of the galactic citizenry, via the senate.

So if you are looking for an overflowing well of examples of goodness, well I suspect the stories of...negotiations going well, rescues without incident, meditations, bad guys coming along peacefully, etc. which one would assume is the daily grind of the majority of the Jedi Order membership...these stories would be boring and difficult to dress up for movies and books.

It is when these mundane peaceful actions go awry that a story becomes potentially exciting.

This is not a cop out by any means, I come from a career of service with the military and drug interdiction so I know the mundane daily aspect...for example 20yrs later if you ask a sailor about his trip to Hong Kong I doubt the stories of how he did his job without issue would rarely pop up but the tales of getting lost in the Wan Chai street market or waking up with a new tattoo and a monkey would gain loads of attention.

I will offer a comic book analogy...a sith-like character...The Punisher...driven by grief and fueled by vengeance...his tools include all manner of items that offer nothing but deadly force...is he a hero?  No  He is a murder and a criminal...but he just kills badguys...so he is doing something good by doing something bad.  Is he typical of a villain? No  He still chooses to act like the honorable man he was before the fall, when he can manage it depending on the situation.  Badguys hate him. 

Now the Joker...he is about as sith as it gets, the chaos aspect of sith.

And on and on.

Back on topic...the mundane daily grind of being good, honest, and general all around fine folk would be far too boring for the most part to focus beyond "they are good guys".

An engineer builds a thousand bridges, but we only want to hear about the one that fell.

That sort of thing.

[Kitra]

But there are a few simple aspects that are set in stone...Uncle Lucas followed a handful of established cultural and historical points of interest.  

The Jedi represent good, justice, and selflessness.

The sith represent evil, corruption, and selfishness
From Relmeob quote on May 20th


This may be a difference in viewing art, but I could care less what Uncle Lucas says he meant to say, or what he says he meant. The author creates the work of art, its viewers/readers define what he created.

You don't ask Vonnegut or Harper Lee or Mozart what they meant to create, because what they meant to create doesn't matter. What matters is what they did create. So if Lucas said he meant something that's great. Marx said he wasn't a Marxist and Camu said he wasn't an existientalist, while he is the second most famous existientalist writer of all time. I can say the RP character I created is supposed to be a good guy that doesn't change the fact he is corrupt self serving and manipulitive.

I haven't read too far into the EU so I'll keep this to the highest cannon, but in that what Lucas has looked over, what have the Jedi done to show that they represent good, justice and selflessness? The Sith I think Lucas did a decent job as representing them as you said, but he failed to do that with the Jedi?

I believe that it is utterly clear through all 6 Movies that the Jedis are a force of good in the galaxy and since my little cousin is able to perceive that as well i would like to question your angle of view while asking your question. Do you think that the Sith has to much opportunity to show that they are evil impersonated while the jedi are always struggling to fight them off and with that less showing a peaceful monklike life or are you more interested in the facts of the good deeds jedis made throughout this massive story?

In either way i would like to share my experiences since ive read nearly any book that came out yet and may find many good deeds throughout not only movies but comics, books and roleplaying games as well.

My best wishes.

Kitra

[Master Rel]

I was making another example defending the ideal of Jedi are good and sith are evil.

There are a handful of sith friendly forumites that would prefer that sith just be cool characters, with neato powers, who do not have to follow the rules, and do what they want...just like the video games.

And that is ok.

It is all in fun.

 

[Kitra]

I was making another example defending the ideal of Jedi are good and sith are evil.

There are a handful of sith friendly forumites that would prefer that sith just be cool characters, with neato powers, who do not have to follow the rules, and do what they want...just like the video games.

And that is ok.

It is all in fun.

 

Absolutely true. Most people are into the rebellious unleashed individual without rules and godlike powers and when they are bestowed with tragic evil out of a quest for more power it seems to be even more appealing. But in real live i dont think that anyone would enjoy a lifestyle as a true sith. Its to violent without any chance of pasttime activity as well as unforgiving and unthankful and when you just think of that properties as a new job offer i believe anyone would instantly say NO! at least i would do that... ^^

[Master Rel]

Happens sometimes in these forums. Certain members, including Relmeob and eerock, sometimes try to write to people from around the world in their native languages. The end result is sometimes several hovercrafts worth of eels, but it's fun.

And in my case it is just like that...just trying in a small measure to make the effort 

[Master Rel]

Absolutely true. Most people are into the rebellious unleashed individual without rules and godlike powers and when they are bestowed with tragic evil out of a quest for more power it seems to be even more appealing. But in real live i dont think that anyone would enjoy a lifestyle as a true sith. Its to violent without any chance of pasttime activity as well as unforgiving and unthankful and when you just think of that properties as a new job offer i believe anyone would instantly say NO! at least i would do that... ^^

This...this we agree with all of this!

Lol

I am sure non of our members are saying they are sith in real life, just that they appreciate the sith for the internet, gaming, and conversation aspect 

[Tsurabisu]

This...this we agree with all of this!

Lol

I am sure non of our members are saying they are sith in real life, just that they appreciate the sith for the internet, gaming, and conversation aspect 

All I will say to this is there ARE Sith out there. You may take that any way you wish. http://www.sithholocron.com/main.htm