OK, I have no wish to break the rules on the forum, so this is the last that I'll say on the subject here.
Again I want to thank you for “biting” even when I don’t want to trap you like a fish. I am only looking for a nice exchange of wisdom and ideas since that is one of the seldom currencys which doubles when shared.
That's fine. I appreciate that English is not your first language, and you are a lot more eloquent in it than I am in German. But I meant no conflict with my choice of words. It was more along the lines of "Ich werde versuchen, Ihnen zu antworten!"
- The empowerment is relevant for Jedi as Sith as well only the approach is different. Approved.
Very different, as the Jedi do not seek empowerment for any advertised reason other than to help others; at the expense of themselves, whereas the Sith are always portrayed as doing the exact opposite.
- Jedi are not shunning the emotions but to come to peace with them.
“There is no emotion there is peace.” Of course Jedi´s have emotions and of course they are confronted with them continuously but they shall be the master over their emotion instead of riding them like the Sith do.
So it is again the same approach… A heavy focus on emotions one time to surrender to them/ride them and one time to coming to peace with them and tame them. Both have acceptance for Emotions. So Jedis don’t run from them but use nearly all their time around emotions as well as the Sith.
I don't see this as true. The Jedi accept "acceptable emotions", and warn constantly against unacceptable ones. Cases in point:
"Beware attachment, the shadow of greed that is" Master Yoda
"Fear is the path to the Dark Side....fear lead to anger, anger leads to hate....hate, leads to suffering!" Master Yoda
"Don't centre on your Anxieties Obi-wan, keep you concentration here and now; where it belongs" Master Qui-gon Jinn
"Bury your feelings deep inside. They do you credit, but they could be made to serve the Emperor" Master Obi-wan Kenobi
It is well known that, in addition to the forbidding of "negative emotions" (fear, anger, hate, vengfulness, desire, lust, envy) the Jedi seek to prevent attachment and love as well. They are yoked by this, where the Sith are not.
Also, the Jedi do not come to "peace" with their Anger, Rage, Hate, or Fear. They seek to eradicate these emotions from themselves; as one might destroy a virus.
- The artificially imposed barrier for the jedis seem to be a combination of self reliance and self discipline. While the Sith do pretty much the same.
When we go through ha day of a Jedi/Sith we find more things they have in common then with most other supposedly contradicting enemies in fiction.
Both meditate, train very hard physicly as well as mentally, try to become a better grasp of the force, eating, sleeping, learning intellectually from the customed history of profession as well as respecting their master for his power/wisdom with the wish to learn everything.
I agree that the physical and spiritual training are largely similar, with as we've discussed the different emphasise on how to deal with emotions. (suppress or draw strength from)
We cant say the Sith are better Warriors as well as we cant say that Jedis are the stronger force users. The wisdom part is a part as well even when they are looking for different kinds of wisdom. So the highlander quote grasps for both traditions again.
I did not say that the Sith were stronger, or better Warriors. Freer? Yes, but not stronger. That said, the amount of Jedi you see teaming up again a single Sith makes me wonder if the Jedi themselves consider the Sith to be stronger, faster and more lethal.
The balance Sith and Jedi hold that both are equals in each Ability as I stated above. Neither is more powerful than the other only different.
Example: Sidious lightning is one of the most destructive force a single individual can muster. Yoda's rebuke is so focused that he may harness and recast that power to his will. I see no winner here since even their Lightsaber skills are equal. I just took them since there clash of powers is most widely known yet there are many others who seemed or in some aspects are equal.
I agree, Master Yoda is a match for almost any Sith, just as Master Sidious is a match for any Jedi. Master Sidious' force lightning and Master Yoda's Tutaminis (energy absorbtion) skills are equal, their saber skills are equal, their acrobatic skills are equal too.
All in all. I have respect for both traditions. One is not better than the other. Both can be translated to our real lives yet not to its fullest extend giving a slight upper hand towards Jedis in our momentarily established social environment. The Ideals seem quite effective equally since it depends on the individual character which way musters a better ground to grow or a better chance of filling up a lack in its life. So I want to merge (as many many others have before) just to show how well they work with each other.
I do not disrespect the Jedi; in fact I find their search for inner peace laudible; if at too high a price. I disagree though that a Jedi approach is more possible in life; I don't believe it is. In fact, I believe that the passivity of the Jedi is a great weakness in the type of society we live on. I offer one my quote, from "Enter the Dragon";
"Strength makes all other values possible! How many delicate wonders have left the world, for lack of the strength to survive?" Mr Han.
Find Peace in Emotion,
Seek Knowledge from Ignorance,
Feel Serenity in Passion,
See Harmony in Chaos,
See the Force in Death.
Im sure there are many different mergings of this in the web but this only strengthen my idea of completion when both traditions go hand in hand in real life.
For everyone the right tool to grow.
This is a very Jedi crede still.
Let's look at the two;
Jedi code;
There is no emotion, there is peace
There is ignorance, there is knowledge
There is no passion, there is serenity
There is no chaos, there is harmony
There is no death, there is the force.
Sith code;
Peace is a lie. There is only passion,
Through passion I gain strength,
Through strength I gain power,
Through power I gain victory,
Through Victory my chains are broken,
The Force shall free me.
If one were to amalgamate the two; then might I suggest;
Peace and Passion are two sides of the same coin,
Knowledge is Strength, Ignorance is weakness,
Power and Serenity are not in conflict,
Victory brings harmony out of chaos,
The Force brings Victory and Freedom from Death.
I want to widen this though, and look at the Crystal Code of the Jedi, then offer the Crystal code of the Sith; which is of my own design!
Jedi Crystal Code
The Crystal is the Heart of the Blade,
The Heart is the Crystal of the Jedi,
The The Jedi is the Crystal of the Force,
The Force is the Blade of the Heart,
All are intertwined; the Crystal, the Blade,
the Jedi. We are one!
Sith Crystal Code
The Crystal is the Will of the Blade,
The Will is the Crystal of the Sith,
The Sith is the Will of the Dark Side,
The Dark Side is the Blade of the Will,
All are connected; the Crystal, the Blade,
the Sith. All are One!
For obvious reasons, these are almost identical, but deliberately different. A "different point of view" you might say.
