Sith or Jedi?

[BenPass]

I've posted this...somewhere before. I thought it interesting though, and thought that I'd post it here. It starts out with the Code of the Jedi pre Odan-Urr, and then goes into my interpretation.

"Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force."

Emotion is not wrong, yet peace must prevail.
True knowledge is knowing that you must learn.
Without passion, we are soulless and cold.
Chaos exists in all of us, yet when it is mastered and controlled, harmony exists.
Death comes to all, yet the Force is eternal.

[Kitra]

I've posted this...somewhere before. I thought it interesting though, and thought that I'd post it here. It starts out with the Code of the Jedi pre Odan-Urr, and then goes into my interpretation.

"Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force."

Emotion is not wrong, yet peace must prevail.
True knowledge is knowing that you must learn.
Without passion, we are soulless and cold.
Chaos exists in all of us, yet when it is mastered and controlled, harmony exists.
Death comes to all, yet the Force is eternal.

In contradiction to all above mentioned which is a very "cranial" view i want to know if anybody tryed to look upon this doctrines from a zen way?
Because this gives the whole idea a different spectrum of possibilities which are well grounded in the phylosophy used to create Star Wars in the first place.

[Darth_Arkanus]

In contradiction to all above mentioned which is a very "cranial" view i want to know if anybody tryed to look upon this doctrines from a zen way?
Because this gives the whole idea a different spectrum of possibilities which are well grounded in the phylosophy used to create Star Wars in the first place.

No, simply because I know next to nothing about Zen, save for seeing those intricately patterned "gardens", and being vaguely aware of it originating in Japan.

I'm open to instruction on that, either publicly or privately (if the former isn't allowed)

[Aurentis]

With respect to the forum rules, we can't get into it here, simply based on the fact that there is a seemingly-eternal debate regarding Zen; specifically, "is it a philosophy?" vs. "is it a religion?"  The popular answer is "both," and that's what some modern Zen aficionados will tell you is the "most appropriate answer," but this isn't necessarily true.  It all depends on your point of view.

Thus, in the interest of keeping to the rules, it's best to keep discussion (even academic discussion) of it off the forums.

I'll PM you a few links that may help with some basic questions about it.

[Kitra]

Darth Arkanus if you want i could invite you to a group where it is not only allowed but even prohibited to speak from ones heart and grow, share and receive wisdom and ideas that may tap into the real life.

Here you are only allowed to talk about the fiction without the truth that it derived from our real live religions and castes of ethics in the first place. I dont know why anyone would like to see stagnation of personal growth inside any forum but we will respect it either way all right?

So if you are inclined to accept my offer you may send me a pm.

[Darth Gorous]

Interesting. It has been a while since I last attended this forum. But the post stayed alive. Nice.

I have been very busy with work and working out - I am going to be Vader for an upcomming event in DK, apparently I have the right posture and hight to pose as Dave himself. I do not even own a Vader costume...

Too bad that my post did not stay the course, I just wanted to know why you are fascinated with one or the other.

Cheers.

[Deadcow]

Sith.  If you need something done do it with whatever it takes.  Also, I like Galen Marick's tactic of starring into his blade to channel his hatred.

[Mors dilectio]

Neither

I go grey because I can can work for the greater good while not specifically choosing sides.
As a Grey Jedi I try to balance the force and take the positive aspects (in my mind) from both sides.

I find the Sith too dark and seem to oppress, while Jedi follow such a strict code that doesnt leave much room for interpretation. I also think the Jedi act too much on the behalf of the Republic and don't seem too help those that are outside it.

I associate closely with this statement, I always feel that in and of themselves both Jedi and Sith are weak, the Jedi fail to acknowledge power as a way to help people and the Sith are center focused making them go against my personal feelings and theology.

Turmoil, yet Balance.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Ignorance, yet wisdom.
Through the force are chains broken.
Through strength we gain power.
Peace, wisdom, harmony, power, and balance.
This sums up my feelings on both sides I think.
The force is full of turmoil and so are we, always striving between light and dark but it is in living between them can we find power.
We are chaotic people but together we strive for harmony between others.
There is always ignorance in our hearts but through thinking, living and studying we can move past that.
The force (something else to me personally) breaks all chains.
We must strive for strength and power to accomplish deeds.
But we must always be balanced in everything we do.

[Mors dilectio]

One more thing: Sith are focused on Nietzschien philosophies: The strong survive and master the weak. Everything about the Sith screams Nietzsche to me, the striving for perfection through power constantly reminds me of the Ubermensch of Nietsche. As I tend to feel against Nietasche I dislike the majority of sith philosophy.

[Master Rel]

I associate closely with this statement, I always feel that in and of themselves both Jedi and Sith are weak, the Jedi fail to acknowledge power as a way to help people and the Sith are center focused making them go against my personal feelings and theology.

Turmoil, yet Balance.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Ignorance, yet wisdom.
Through the force are chains broken.
Through strength we gain power.
Peace, wisdom, harmony, power, and balance.


This sums up my feelings on both sides I think.
The force is full of turmoil and so are we, always striving between light and dark but it is in living between them can we find power.
We are chaotic people but together we strive for harmony between others.
There is always ignorance in our hearts but through thinking, living and studying we can move past that.
The force (something else to me personally) breaks all chains.
We must strive for strength and power to accomplish deeds.
But we must always be balanced in everything we do.

One more thing: Sith are focused on Nietzschien philosophies: The strong survive and master the weak. Everything about the Sith screams Nietzsche to me, the striving for perfection through power constantly reminds me of the Ubermensch of Nietsche. As I tend to feel against Nietasche I dislike the majority of sith philosophy.

Hey look at you coming in as newbie pinch hitter and driving one over the fence!

Very nice on all points.

I could see many agreeing with your directional thinking...sounds like we may have a strong case for Gray here 

Point for you!

[Master Rel]

Point?  You speak more + which reflects the lighter side of the path but you have - points already which reflect the darker side.

Which do you prefer?

If you want the light points we can drive the points the other way in a day if you like 

[Mors dilectio]

Point?  You speak more + which reflects the lighter side of the path but you have - points already which reflect the darker side.

Which do you prefer?

If you want the light points we can drive the points the other way in a day if you like 

Which do I prefer? I think I'm happy with either Grey Jedi is more where I sit but I'm not confined by the points

[Master Rel]

Rgr rgr...I will bump you a + to bring to you to a happy Gray 0 

[Master Venturous]

Sith

I have walked the path of the light and righteousness and found at the end of it only the struggle to uphold a false ideology. I have also basked in the deepest level of hatred, the likes of which many will never experience in this life, and have discovered the amount of strength it gives a person. I have been capable of such acts of kindness that others have deemed me an angel, yet I have also known dark thoughts that many would never understand. I've made many attempts to walk the path of peace, to always see the light within the dark times, and to always uphold that which allows inner and outer growth. I've made every effort to calm the mind, accept what is, and to allow what is to be without conflict. Every time this attempt is made however, the darkness within inevitably takes hold and rears its ugly head. I've allowed myself to surrender to such intense levels of hatred and to allow it to take control of my thoughts, words, and actions. In doing so, I've learned that hate can be a very strong source of strength. I'm sure many people would not understand this, but hate can also be a sanctuary. When it takes hold, whether I want it to or not, I feel my energy field come alive, as if my entire body has become empowered to act and ready to do what needs to be done. The only sensation I know of that I can compare it to is the feeling one has after doing an hour long martial art class or spending an hour working out in the gym. I've found that by not trying to uphold a temporary false sense of peace, I no longer feel burdened by such endeavors, and therefore feel a sense of freedom not known to me before. Thankfully, I have never had to act on this hatred, but I feel assured knowing that if I did, there would be a deep well of strength to assist me if ever the need arose.



...plus red sabers are boss.

[Darth_Arkanus]

Sith

I have walked the path of the light and righteousness and found at the end of it only the struggle to uphold a false ideology. I have also basked in the deepest level of hatred, the likes of which many will never experience in this life, and have discovered the amount of strength it gives a person. I have been capable of such acts of kindness that others have deemed me an angel, yet I have also known dark thoughts that many would never understand. I've made many attempts to walk the path of peace, to always see the light within the dark times, and to always uphold that which allows inner and outer growth. I've made every effort to calm the mind, accept what is, and to allow what is to be without conflict. Every time this attempt is made however, the darkness within inevitably takes hold and rears its ugly head. I've allowed myself to surrender to such intense levels of hatred and to allow it to take control of my thoughts, words, and actions. In doing so, I've learned that hate can be a very strong source of strength. I'm sure many people would not understand this, but hate can also be a sanctuary. When it takes hold, whether I want it to or not, I feel my energy field come alive, as if my entire body has become empowered to act and ready to do what needs to be done. The only sensation I know of that I can compare it to is the feeling one has after doing an hour long martial art class or spending an hour working out in the gym. I've found that by not trying to uphold a temporary false sense of peace, I no longer feel burdened by such endeavors, and therefore feel a sense of freedom not known to me before. Thankfully, I have never had to act on this hatred, but I feel assured knowing that if I did, there would be a deep well of strength to assist me if ever the need arose.



...plus red sabers are boss.

I wanna give a point for this, because I know it's intricacies so well, but what sort of point? This is a Sith post, yet you're on lightside points.