Jedi, sith, Grey Jedi, Force Adepts, Dark Acolytes, etc.

[Oramac]

Did he have to make it or was it made for him?
Before he was the chosen one he was darth Vader, for it to be a prequel he had to go down that path. This is a fictional story that started half way through.

If we were talking about real life, or even normal character development in fiction I'd agree with you, but here, that choice was made around 1980.

Ok, yes, Lucas made the choice in writing the script.  But looking at it in a linear fashion where III comes before IV, V, and VI, logically, he did not have to make the choice he made. 

[Kitra]

Ok, yes, Lucas made the choice in writing the script.  But looking at it in a linear fashion where III comes before IV, V, and VI, logically, he did not have to make the choice he made. 

Hmm please correct me if i am wrong but i remember reading that this caste of mystics/seers which had been under the command of Darth Sidious had been able to see far into the future while manipulating it giving Sidious all information he need to manipulate him further to become Darth Vader.

With all that against the good in Anakin i dont see that he had any chance in doing anything else since his destiny got woven through the dark side in so so many ways at once under supervision of an absolut genius mastermind.

After Anakin became the apprentice Sidious had no use for the seers anymore so they wouldnt forsee the outcome of episode VI.

I hope i didnt messed something up but if no one has read that book i am talking about i can look it up at home and post the title so that it is more transperent. I see the choices of the chosen one as -how does doctor who named it- fixed points in the space and time continuum... ^^

[TheHobbitofDune]

It's easy to just say, "Well, Anakin had a choice. He didn't have to do it." While this is true, the mass amount of manipulation he was put under was too much. The influence was too strong. Anyone can be brainwashed. So while nobody else could make the decision for him, they still did everything in their power to make sure that his decision would reflect their needs. How could anyone, even a Jedi, fight that? Honestly.

[Oramac]

I see the choices of the chosen one as -how does doctor who named it- fixed points in the space and time continuum... ^^

If they are fixed points and are pre-determined as you state, they cease to be choices and Anakin becomes a slave or puppet rather than a human being.  In such a case, the discussion of him as a Jedi becomes moot, since he's not acting of his own accord.  

[Kitra]

If they are fixed points and are pre-determined as you state, they cease to be choices and Anakin becomes a slave or puppet rather than a human being.  In such a case, the discussion of him as a Jedi becomes moot, since he's not acting of his own accord.  

Jedis act on the accord of the force.
So when the force which is leading the individual destiny of a jedi is manipulated he is not to any extend more a slave than Yoda or Windu had been.

And I want to write again that Anakin even had been conceived through the dark side of the force in the first place.

[Oramac]

Jedis act on the accord of the force.
So when the force which is leading the individual destiny of a jedi is manipulated he is not to any extend more a slave than Yoda or Windu had been.

"Always in motion is the future" - Yoda.   Following the Force blindly and without question or hesitation is slavery to it as much as any other form of the word.  Only difference is the Master is the Force and the Slave is the person.  If they allow all of their decisions to be made by the Force without thought to the consequence, they are still a slave.  Even Yoda admitted that the future changes. Why does it change?  Decisions.  Specifically, those decisions made by us and by others that affect us.  If no decisions could be made, the future would not change.

And I want to write again that Anakin even had been conceived through the dark side of the force in the first place.

Irrelevant.

[Kitra]

"Always in motion is the future" - Yoda.   Following the Force blindly and without question or hesitation is slavery to it as much as any other form of the word.  Only difference is the Master is the Force and the Slave is the person.  If they allow all of their decisions to be made by the Force without thought to the consequence, they are still a slave.  Even Yoda admitted that the future changes. Why does it change?  Decisions.  Specifically, those decisions made by us and by others that affect us.  If no decisions could be made, the future would not change.

Irrelevant.

Yepp thats what Yoda said but did you mean it after Anakin had become Darth Vader???
[Luke has seen a vision of Han, Leia and Chewie being tortured in Cloud City]
Luke: I saw - I saw a city in the clouds.
Yoda: [nods] Friends you have there.
Luke: They were in pain...
Yoda: It is the future you see.
Luke: The future?
[pause]
Luke: Will they die?
Yoda: [closes his eyes for a moment] Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.
Luke: I've got to go to them.
Yoda: Decide you must, how to serve them best. If you leave now, help them you could; but you would destroy all for which they have fought, and suffered.

Or did you mean the one time he said that before? Because at that time he said that the dark sides clouds the future... Something like that... so he couldnt see because the dark side was disrupting the ability to foresee with a veil... So again why does it change? Not solely because of the decisions made but the steps taken to alter the chosen one (and cloud his future) and the bare existence of him states that there is a destiny. So with the proper knowledge and power it can be altered = was meant to be altered.

And you say its irrelevant that Anakin had been conceived through the dark side???
Since you only brought up one single word without any undermining info from the Kanon or personal believe or whatever I will just ignore that until you made that clear since i want to leave you your ideas of star wars and I have no intention to alter them.
I want a nice conversation with !arguments! and i have seen none of you while I post and link and do stuff so that anyone can rewalk my way to my results openly presented here.

And to your idea of slavery everything and everyone is a slave to this assumption of yours... his dna, his brain patterns, his hormones, his whatever.
And yepp following the force is exactly that sir. Reread the books you have rewatch the movies. It is abou the trust in the force over your ego.
Following the force to me is not a state of slavery but a state of enlightment.
Allowing us to act in Harmony with all that is.
All have a purpose.

[chicago.jedi]

... i want to leave you your ideas of star wars and I have no intention to alter them.

I like what you said there. We should not alter each other’s perception of Star Wars. These movies, books and characters mean something different to each of us. We relate to them in different ways through our own experiences and personalities. Some of us believe in the Jedi, some the Sith, others neither. It is a personal and individual thing. We are free to express our personal ideas but must respect each other’s as well.

Star Wars was or is a part of each of our lives and/or childhoods. I think some things are best kept sacred.