Sith Academy: Korriban

[Obese Wan Kenobese]

In EU canon, Plagueis was Sidious' master. Tenebrous appeared in Luceno's 2012 novel, Darth Plagueis, as the Master of Darth Plagueis.

Snoke is not EU canon. He's Disney canon. Origin not yet defined. It is confirmed that he is very old, as is Maz Kanata.

[Darth Logos]

In EU canon, Plagueis was Sidious' master. Tenebrous appeared in Luceno's 2012 novel, Darth Plagueis, as the Master of Darth Plagueis.

Snoke is not EU canon. He's Disney canon. Origin not yet defined. It is confirmed that he is very old, as is Maz Kanata.

My sources have no confirmed identity of Snoke. Many believe he is a blast from the past. It is a common thread that Dark Siders often end up mangled and deformed in their quests for greater power. IE:

Vader - loss of limbs and skin requiring full body iso-suit
Bane - covered in orbalisks
Malak - loss of lower jaw
Malgus - half his face blown off by a thermal detonator
Sidious - ravaged by his own lightning
Plagueis - can't remember specifics, but recall a scene depicting him having to drink through his nose. (even though I have mixed info on whether Muuns even have noses.)

But a true testament of "what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger", just not necessarily very pretty. (Apologies for the circuitous explanation) My personal theory on Snoke is that he is the same species as Maz, and is pulling a Wizard of Oz technique to make himself more imposing.

[For Tyeth]

Plagueis - can't remember specifics, but recall a scene depicting him having to drink through his nose. (even though I have mixed info on whether Muuns even have noses.)

After leaving Bal'Demnic (Battle of BalDemnic) Plagueis went on to Naboo where he met Shreeve Palpatine. During this time Plagueis was the victim of an assassination attempt. He survived but had to have mechanical breathing apparatus. Later when Palpatine was elected Supreme Chancellor of the Republic, Plagueis celebrated with Palpatine but drank too much and Palpatine took advantage of his Master's drunken state and killed him.

Your recollection of drinking through his "nose" may be correct. In the Plagueis novel when Palpatine is checking his Master to ensure he was dead, Plagueis is described as having a very flat deformed nose,"the tip of which almost touched his top lip." And with the breathing apparatus there may have been a tube attached for drinking.
Hope this is of interest.

[Darth Logos]

After leaving Bal'Demnic (Battle of BalDemnic) Plagueis went on to Naboo where he met Shreeve Palpatine. During this time Plagueis was the victim of an assassination attempt. He survived but had to have mechanical breathing apparatus. Later when Palpatine was elected Supreme Chancellor of the Republic, Plagueis celebrated with Palpatine but drank too much and Palpatine took advantage of his Master's drunken state and killed him.

Your recollection of drinking through his "nose" may be correct. In the Plagueis novel when Palpatine is checking his Master to ensure he was dead, Plagueis is described as having a very flat deformed nose,"the tip of which almost touched his top lip." And with the breathing apparatus there may have been a tube attached for drinking.
Hope this is of interest.

But looking here at, who I believe is Larsh Hill, Muuns don't seem to have noses to begin with.



This is also corroborated by an interpretation of Darth Plagueis


But then is countered by



Also of potential interest, Darth Tenebrous is a Bith

[For Tyeth]

Hello Darth Logos,

I see what you mean, I just imagined the nose to be flat (similar to a Bulldog type dog) from the description that's all. (If I read everything correctly, Darth Plagueis killed Tenebrous in the mines of Bal'Demnic by crushing him in a cave-in then snapping his neck to make sure)

[Darth Logos]

Hello Darth Logos,

I see what you mean, I just imagined the nose to be flat (similar to a Bulldog type dog) from the description that's all.

You mean like the Klatooians?

(If I read everything correctly, Darth Plagueis killed Tenebrous in the mines of Bal'Demnic by crushing him in a cave-in then snapping his neck to make sure)

Yes, I can't remember what they were mining for, cortosis or frick, but Plagueis sensed his moment and claimed the mantel of Master.

[For Tyeth]

Hi again,

Similar to Klatooians or Neimoidians (Nute "Is it legal?" Guunray).

The mines on BalDemnic had Cortosis in them. I know, I fought alongside Halagad Ventor and Sha Koon during the Battle of Bal'Demnic in my backstory.
The CIS wanted control of the ore for their war efforts but the Kon'me, the planet's natives fought back but also turned on the the two Jedi and their troops who had been sent to help them. (A very messy affair, I got badly injured!)

[Darth Logos]

Hi again,

Similar to Klatooians or Neimoidians (Nute "Is it legal?" Guunray).

The mines on BalDemnic had Cortosis in them. I know, I fought alongside Halagad Ventor and Sha Koon during the Battle of Bal'Demnic in my backstory.
The CIS wanted control of the ore for their war efforts but the Kon'me, the planet's natives fought back but also turned on the the two Jedi and their troops who had been sent to help them. (A very messy affair, I got badly injured!)

Yes but the incident involving Plagueis was long before even the events of Ep. I. But that was what I loved about the Bane trilogy, Darth Plagueis, and Cloak of Deception; the intricacy with which the Grand Plan unfolded, and how deeply it grew behind the scenes.

[Obese Wan Kenobese]

If Plagueis celebrated when Palpatine became Supreme Chancellor, Maul was Palpatine's apprentice while Palpatine was still Plagueis' apprentice. Similar to Ventress being under Dooku while Dooku was under Palpatine or Savage Opress under Dooku or Opress under Maul. The rule of two just wasn't followed at all. It's more like an idea for keeping Sith leaders hidden rather than an actual rule. So much knowledge must've been lost while the Jedi archives would just keep stock piling what most Jedi would never take the time to review.

When did Palpatine kill Plagueis?

[ithekro]

When did Palpatine kill Plagueis?

Apparently around the same time Maul was dueling Obi-wan and Qui-gon.  So after Padme left for Naboo, but before Palpatine joined them on Naboo after the battle to mourn the loss of Qui-gon.

[For Tyeth]

ithekro said what I was about to. My laptop just locked up on me while I was checking my facts or I'd haved posted sooner.

point to ithekro

[Taegin Roan]

Thanks guys, clears it up.  But I always thought that because of the story Sidious tells Anakin in ROTS that Plagueis before the Ep. I.

[Darth Logos]

Thanks guys, clears it up.  But I always thought that because of the story Sidious tells Anakin in ROTS that Plagueis before the Ep. I.

The Sith have a rather noted habit of bending the truth to suit there needs. Sidious needed to bend Anakin's ear without tipping his hand as a Sith Lord. The book played off this "legend" beautifully, and also lends to how Sidious knew the story so well. Other than the inconsistency that Plagueis was murdered in his sleep. In the book (mild SPOILER ALERT!) Sidious felt he had learned all he could and revealed his true power (significantly greater than Plagueus') and brought the roof down on him, literally.

If Plagueis celebrated when Palpatine became Supreme Chancellor, Maul was Palpatine's apprentice while Palpatine was still Plagueis' apprentice. Similar to Ventress being under Dooku while Dooku was under Palpatine or Savage Opress under Dooku or Opress under Maul. The rule of two just wasn't followed at all. It's more like an idea for keeping Sith leaders hidden rather than an actual rule. So much knowledge must've been lost while the Jedi archives would just keep stock piling what most Jedi would never take the time to review.

When did Palpatine kill Plagueis?

Yes, according to the book, Sidious was still the Apprentice throughout the events of TPM. He masqueraded as the Master so that those serving him would not question his authority of the operation. Maul was kept in the dark as well, and trained merely as an assassin, not a true Sith Apprentice. Sidious did not make his play for power until after the battle of Naboo.

Also of interest, Sidious had delusions of the line of Bane ending with himself permanently seated on the throne. According to my sources, Sidious never properly trained an Apprentice to follow and continue the line of succession. But as we all know, his greed did result in the end of the Sith. At least according to the accepted canon. The book Lost Tribe of the Sith depicts a lost tribe on a planet that no one knows of until the book Omen, from the Fate of the Jedi series.

[Taegin Roan]

Yes, according to the book, Sidious was still the Apprentice throughout the events of TPM. He masqueraded as the Master so that those serving him would not question his authority of the operation. Maul was kept in the dark as well, and trained merely as an assassin, not a true Sith Apprentice. Sidious did not make his play for power until after the battle of Naboo.

In TCW Maul says that he was once apprenticed to the most powerful being in the galaxy, I'm assuming this is because he did not know that Sidious was not an actual master?

[Darth Logos]

In TCW Maul says that he was once apprenticed to the most powerful being in the galaxy, I'm assuming this is because he did not know that Sidious was not an actual master?

Correct. The same ploy was also utilized in dealing with the Trade Federation. It is difficult to inspire that much raw fear if your subordinates believe they can appeal to a higher power. However, if you are the highest power, they will not question your absolute authority.