Sith Academy: Korriban

[Darth Logos]

I like the emotion theory. If it was me I'd want to be able to choose, but it's not, and never will be.

Patience, my young apprentice. When the galaxy is under my rule, I shall rewrite it to a state that pleases me, and many other fans.

[Taegin Roan]

Patience, my young apprentice. When the galaxy is under my rule, I shall rewrite it to a state that pleases me, and many other fans.

You wish.

[Darth Logos]

You wish.

You are not acquainted with the particulars of my Grand Plan, and therefore have no idea. You might actually enjoy what I have in mind.


I must also point out that this thread is not a place for random discourse, but rather one for academic discussion of the Sith and all things Dark Side.

[Darth Calon]

So what's Taegin doing in here? He has no knowledge.


Okay, different kind of question. Which Sith had the greatest lightsaber skills?

[Taegin Roan]

Okay, different kind of question. Which Sith had the greatest lightsaber skills?

From watching them fight in the movies, I'd say Darth Vader before he was chopped up and burned, or else Darth Sidious. I don't know about any of the Sith that aren't officially canon. Logos will come in a second, and tell me why I am wrong, but that is my opinion based on what I have seen.

[Darth Calon]

From watching them fight in the movies, I'd say Darth Vader before he was chopped up and burned, or else Darth Sidious. I don't know about any of the Sith that aren't officially canon. Logos will come in a second, and tell me why I am wrong, but that is my opinion based on what I have seen.

Probably Vader before Mustafar.

Assuming Vader didn't exist, would Sidious beat Maul in a straight out lightsaber duel, the Force not being allowed? I don't think so.

This is also movie only characters, we haven't even got into Legends () and new canon yet. Bane was more than formidable, but that's because of his substantial command of the Force too. Zannah (Bane's apprentice) was also good.

[Obese Wan Kenobese]

Would Maul hinder himself with a double sided saber again?

From reading, Sidious was skilled. I don't know his physical capacity without the Force. He's older experience. Maul's acrobatics expend energy. How much did he depend on the Force to keep it going?

[Darth Calon]

Would Maul hinder himself with a double sided saber again?

From reading, Sidious was skilled. I don't know his physical capacity without the Force. He's older experience. Maul's acrobatics expend energy. How much did he depend on the Force to keep it going?

Hinder?

Sidious is certainly skilled, but I imagine he's used to the Force as his first line of defence, and I imagine it's usually enough.

Maul was trained specifically as a warrior, and he's also super fit.

[Taegin Roan]

Sidious already beat Maul. We see it in TCW. Maul and Savage get owned by Sidious. Mace Windu barely beats him, in ROTS, and before that, Sidious killed 3 of the other Council members, all of whom were supposedly great warriors with Both the force and a Lightsaber. But that duel between Obi-Wan and Vader in ROTS makes me think that it might be Vader, not to mention his R1 scene. Also Anakin was supposedly almost as good if not better than Yoda was with a Lightsaber, so I think that it is between those two, and there are no other canon Sith that are better fighters than one of them. I don't know if there is ever a battle between Vader and Sidious, but if there was, I half expect that Vader would come out on top. Bane is shown once in TCW, but it is only a manifestation of him, we never see him fight.

[Obese Wan Kenobese]

Real life weapon specialists have been saying the weapon Maul used would add difficulty. The flare and confusion of two blades attached wears off quickly for experienced swordsman. In a book, Maul was in prison where he couldn't use the Force, so he basically became Riddick. The story felt like it was supposed to be about Riddick, and someone modified it for Maul. So, I know Maul is still a slick son of Dathomir. I just don't know a Forceless Sidious without making assumptions without demonstration. Ray Park could kick Ian McDiarmid's butt. My assumptions didn't write the characters. Maul lost against Sidious in TCW. But, that was sabers and Force.

[Darth Calon]

@TR,  I'm using what I know of Bane from his book trilogy. Also, this can be a Legends character.

@OWK, I fight better with a saber staff than one saber. But I am in no way a weapon specialist.

As mentioned, Sid would crush Maul with the Force allowed, but I still think Maul would win without.

Also, are you talking about Maul: Lockdown?

[Taegin Roan]

I haven't read enough books with other Sith, canon or not, so I don't know anything about how good of fighters they are. I am just basing my assumptions off of the movies and TV shows. How much did Sidious actually use the Force in his battle against Maul and Savage? I know he Force pushed them a couple of times, but other than that, I don't think he used it that much.

Just a question that doesn't really belong here, but does anybody else want a live action SW TV series?

[Vivectius]

Bane, Kas'im, Malgus, Sidious pretty much in that order.  There were other bright spots here and there in Sith history, but they were consistently the best.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kas%27im

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Bane/Legends

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Malgus

And for a bit more Malgus:

<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3146492083&amp;feature=iv&amp;src_vid=NuNvCOUy1Ts&amp;v=RjG61DoDzN8" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3146492083&amp;feature=iv&amp;src_vid=NuNvCOUy1Ts&amp;v=RjG61DoDzN8</a>

[ithekro]

Remember who trained Maul....Sidious did.  Sidious is a master of ALL forms of lightsaber combat.

In his fight against Maul and Savage...Sidious is laughing.  He is having fun.  Maul is being serious and even attempting to use his rage, but that does nothing against Sidious even before he puts the sabers away and ragdolls Maul around before using the lightning.

[Tony89]

Would Maul hinder himself with a double sided saber again?

From reading, Sidious was skilled. I don't know his physical capacity without the Force. He's older experience. Maul's acrobatics expend energy. How much did he depend on the Force to keep it going?

If the force isn't allowed at all and it is just a straight up lightsaber fight would a lot of his jumps and acrobatics not have to stop as a lot of it will be using the force to help him get greater hight and that sort of thing? Maul to me is the most skilled however that is based on the films and the actor was a martial artist not and actor like the other sith lords so that might make him look better than the character was suppose to be. Not sure what your thoughts on this are.