Jedi Academy: Tython

[Kham-Ryn Kurios]

Were the Je'daii a specific species much like the Sith were a species but the name lived on in the collective despite the lineage of its members?

Short answer: No.

Long answer:

Tythans were the inhabitants of Tython. The original Tythans were the Force-sensitives brought to the planet in the distant Pre-Republic era by the Tho Yor ships in the First Migration. However, over the millennia, not all of their descendants were Force-sensitive, and many of the non-sensitive peoples went on to colonize other planets in the Tython system.

The following sentient species were found amongst the Tythans:

Cathar
Devaronian
Human
Iktotchi
Miraluka
Mirialan
Noghri
Selkath
Sith
Sullustan
Talid
Twi'lek
Wookiee
Zabrak

Sauce: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tythan

In the year 36,453 BBY, the Tho Yor—eight great pyramid ships that were scattered across the galaxy—called out to the inhabitants of the planets they were located on, including Ando Prime, Kashyyyk, Manaan, Ryloth, and Dathomir. Through the Force, the Tho Yor convinced the Force-sensitive sentients around them to board the starships, and the pyramid ships then departed the planets upon which they had sat for so long and set out into the galaxy. The Tho Yor then traveled the galaxy, gathering Force-sensitives of many other species, so that by the time the eight ships journeyed into the Deep Core together, they carried members of the Wookiee, Selkath, Twi'lek, Miraluka, Iktotchi, Cathar, Devaronian, Noghri, Sith, Talid, Zabrak, Mirialan, Human, Sullustan, and Krevaaki species, as well as the species later known as the Koorivar.

The eight Tho Yor traveled into the Deep Core to the planet Tython, where a ninth and far larger Tho Yor awaited them as it floated above a pinnacle of stone. The arrival of the Tho Yor was heralded by an immense Force Storm that swept over the entire planet, and the eight Tho Yor first gathered around the ninth Tho Yor before scattering themselves across the planet.

The Tho Yor Arrival, as the event came to be known, saw each Tho Yor deposit their passengers at their final destination and remain there, with some of the ships burying themselves in the landscape while others remained floating in the sky. The Force-sensitive pilgrims immediately realized that Tython was uniquely strong in the Force, and the pilgrims—known collectively as the Tythans—soon realized that they had been brought to Tython in order to study the Force and to learn to control and master the abilities it granted them.

Sauce: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Je%27daii_Order#Early_history

[Vivectius]

And for some interesting information on the Tho Yor, see here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tho_Yor

I find it interesting to note that the Sith species was among those collected by the Tho Yor.  Their criteria for species selection seems to be limited strictly to Force sensitivity.

[Darth Logos]

So, I'm curious as to whether I should answer this question, as it's directed to the jedi on the forum, but I do know the answer.  Basically, are the two knowledge threads open to anyone answering, regardless of which "side" they're on?

Welcome to the Jedi Academy. This is a place to learn about all things Light Side (and maybe a few things that aren't so much).

Feel free to ask and answer questions as your knowledge base allows.

As previously stated, this is a thread for learning, for Jedi and Sith alike, who seek to know more about the Light Side. There will be NO FEUDING.

(Before anyone accuses me of piggy-backing off of Logos' idea, he was kind enough to ask me to head up this side of the discussion. Thank you, Logos.)

Thanks for the info, to both.

[gpm]

Emotion is what I struggle with for both Sith and Jedi.  We all have them and it seems with what little knowledge I have the Jedi strive to control their emotions through meditation thus making them stronger. 
Where as the Sith use meditation to channel their emotions releasing their hatred ect. when called upon.

Seems to make the Sith a deadly advisory.  I am trying to explain this to a 5 year old so simple is always better.

thanks guys!

For the light

[Darth Logos]

Emotion is what I struggle with for both Sith and Jedi.  We all have them and it seems with what little knowledge I have the Jedi strive to control their emotions through meditation thus making them stronger. 
Where as the Sith use meditation to channel their emotions releasing their hatred ect. when called upon.

Seems to make the Sith a deadly advisory.  I am trying to explain this to a 5 year old so simple is always better.

thanks guys!

For the light

It has been my experience that where the Sith endeavor to dominate the Force is labeled "unnatural", the Jedi domination of their emotions is equally so. Emotions are just as natural as breathing.

The Sith make the mistake of relying purely on strong negative emotions for strength. Have you ever tried keeping your anger up for an extended period? It is exhausting. It is far simpler to cast your emotions aside, than to utilize them. I believe the path to true power lies in accepting the balance between emotion and serenity.

[Darth Justicar]

Logos--what you said about trying to sustain anger for a long time...IMO, therein lies the explanation to Kylo Ren literally self-harming in the middle of battle. 

But personally I think other emotions besides the negative ones can be strong channels of power and the Jedi, because they fear certain emotions, fear ALL of them unnecessarily.

[Darth Logos]

Logos--what you said about trying to sustain anger for a long time...IMO, therein lies the explanation to Kylo Ren literally self-harming in the middle of battle. 

But personally I think other emotions besides the negative ones can be strong channels of power and the Jedi, because they fear certain emotions, fear ALL of them unnecessarily.

Exactly my point. Joy, Love, Excitement are just as powerful but on the positive side of the emotional spectrum. I am quite convinced that if true love were drawn upon through the Force, life could be created, or possibly returned to an individual.

My belief is that the Force is infinite, and therefore all things are possible through it.

[gpm]

Ok that is a good point as well for every negative emotion there is a positive but it seems the Jedi do not seek to tap into those emotions so the counter to the Sith seems to be peace and compassion.  Do not give into the storm of emotion as it's strength is fleeting and false rather to be more like the eye of the hurricane calm...

at least from a Jedi point of view.
Am I on the right track here?  Also as a neophyte is using/ wielding the Force exhausting?  Seems like it would be. 
thanks for the discussion

[Darth Logos]

Ok that is a good point as well for every negative emotion there is a positive but it seems the Jedi do not seek to tap into those emotions so the counter to the Sith seems to be peace and compassion.  Do not give into the storm of emotion as it's strength is fleeting and false rather to be more like the eye of the hurricane calm...

at least from a Jedi point of view.
Am I on the right track here?  Also as a neophyte is using/ wielding the Force exhausting?  Seems like it would be. 
thanks for the discussion

The application of strength is always taxing. As I have become overly fond of asking for stupid reasons, I now have a legitimate occasion to ask....ahem...Bro, do you even lift?

Lifting obviously requires physical strength, but repeated instances (aka "reps") result in greater strength. The Jedi mistake the lure to draw power from negative emotions, as an inherent "evil" in all emotion. Emotion is chaos, and IMO, the Jedi are too overly cautious (and/or lazy) to teach their students how to properly deal with them. But the Sith are equally guilty.

[Darth Justicar]

I got the impression Luke was pretty worn out from his repeated, failed attempts to levitate his X-Wing out of the Dagobah swamp, if you want to look at what's onscreen.

[Darth Logos]

I got the impression Luke was pretty worn out from his repeated, failed attempts to levitate his X-Wing out of the Dagobah swamp, if you want to look at what's onscreen.

Thusly. "The Force is strong with you, young Skywalker. But you are not a Jedi yet." He is using his strength. I'm merely stating that the Jedi could be stronger if they used their emotions.

[gpm]

Luke does get tired yet... The great masters Yoda, Dooku, Bane you name em seem to wield the Force at will without getting worn like the new guys ie Luke in Empire.  
Is this because they have practiced wielding this heavy Force around?
Or is the Force kinda like Bandwidth and the Masters can open up the taps so to speak.
Both?  
Nope no "reps" here Sword forms Tai Chi thats about it.  Lots of Skiing
thanks guys I've ordered a few of the books here looking forward to them.
I have to admit though the more I read the more I have questions.  When I was a kid I knew exactly what the Force was now that I am over 40 I'm not so sure.

[Darth Logos]

Luke does get tired yet... The great masters Yoda, Dooku, Bane you name em seem to wield the Force at will without getting worn like the new guys ie Luke in Empire.  
Is this because they have practiced wielding this heavy Force around?
Or is the Force kinda like Bandwidth and the Masters can open up the taps so to speak.
Both?  
Nope no "reps" here Sword forms Tai Chi thats about it.  Lots of Skiing
thanks guys I've ordered a few of the books here looking forward to them.
I have to admit though the more I read the more I have questions.  When I was a kid I knew exactly what the Force was now that I am over 40 I'm not so sure.

Kinda both. It's more a question of mental discipline to focus. Just watch Yoda in ATC. When he's trying to keep the pillar thing from falling on his boys, he is really concentrating. So it becomes a matter of repetition and experience that make it easier.

What do you think katas are for. The forms are developed to get your body used to moving in a specific way, so that when you are engaged in battle, all you have to think about is what move you want to perform and not how to perform it. It's called muscle memory. So as with drawing on the Force, repeated successes create mental shortcuts to get to the desired results faster and more efficiently.

[Obese Wan Kenobese]

After reading Heir to the Jedi (SPOILERS!!!), where Luke teaches himself moving things with the force, I think it's like muscle memory. While the Sith use emotion to tap in to the force, as Luke experiences and describes some what in HTTJ, Jedi use focus. Sith let their emotions give them outward control, and emotions eventually control them. Jedi develop self control, and focus taps in to the force. The more the Sith use emotion, the more emotions become volatile and rise up faster. The more a Jedi practices focus, the faster and deeper they are able to. Luke moves rocks and is exhausted. He is over exerted attempting his x wing. That may simply be because he, or some part of him, still believes it is different. That's why he failed. That's why he is breathing heavy. In HTTJ, he moved noodles and a spoon. That is air he is breathing, and there is a spoon, but do you think it was some exertion on Luke's body? Did it require his muscles to lift the spoon? He thought it did. A character in the book suggests Luke doesn't lift the spoon with his mind. Luke moves the force, and the force moves the spoon.

[Vivectius]

I find it amusing that it's always "emotions" with the Sith, with no specific direction.

An exceptionally happy person is experiencing strong emotions.  Is being happy evil?  Is using strong emotion for good a bad thing?  If you're jedi, the answer is yes. You must have self control at all times.