Jedi Academy: Tython

[Landen Se-Sentien]

Watching TCW, I came across the arc where Cad Bane was contracted to steal a holocron to find Force sensitive children. During the arc title "Keeper of the Kyber Crystal" is used. I was under the impression that a Kyber crystal was the source of the blade of a lightsaber. But the title the Kyber Crystal infers that the crystal is singular in nature, and used like a miniature holocron, similar to a data disk that could only be read using a holocron.

So which is it?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kyber_memory_crystal

This article may help.  Especially this part:

"The two components were kept separate; the holocron was stored within the Holocron Chamber of the well-protected Jedi Temple on Coruscant, while the crystal itself remained in the care of a Rodian Jedi Master named Bolla Ropal."

[Obese Wan Kenobese]

So, it's not a kyber crystal for a lightsaber. It's a memory crystal that is referred to as "The Kyber Crystal" as in 'the list of force able'. It's not a connection of them all. It's like a title of the most complete list available?

[Vivectius]

Perhaps, due to phonetic similarities, you're actually looking for this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kaiburr_crystal .  It wouldn't surprise me if someone along the line heard about it and misspelled it, creating two different crystal types.

Especially since, originally, there was no specific crystal type that had to be used: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber_crystal

[Darth Logos]

In the EU that I know, kyber crystals were the usual type of crystal that is used for focusing energy in a lightsaber similar to a blaster, but the energy is recycled inside of a field that keeps the beam a finite length. Other things could be used as focusing crystals in lightsabers. It's all washed away as non-canon.

In this Disney canon, someone said the kyber crystals are the only crystals. They are tuned or linked to the force in some way. They 'sing' to a specific individual when a Jedi is sent to Ilum to find a cystal for their saber. A dark side user steals the crystal from a Jedi and does dark side evils to the crystal, which turns it red. Ahsoka got her crystals from a dark sider she defeated. The crystal was purified/repaired, and it turned white for her. http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Ahsoka.

Doesn't really answer my question, but succeeded in nauseating me. Thanks.

Perhaps, due to phonetic similarities, you're actually looking for this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kaiburr_crystal .  It wouldn't surprise me if someone along the line heard about it and misspelled it, creating two different crystal types.

Especially since, originally, there was no specific crystal type that had to be used: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber_crystal

That's a little better. But they couldn't come up with something more creative than a homophone?

From my research, OC crystals were predominantly found on Illum. Other noted crystals were Adegan, which were rarer and marked by a higher connectivity to the Force (whatever that whole mythos was about). I've never understood the common belief in Force connections with saber crystals. It was established in ESB that the weapon is simply a piece of technology. A connection to the Force is required in its construction, for both crystal selection and assembly, but not use.

[ithekro]

The Force connection to build the saber is correct, otherwise is would not work in the first place.  After it is built it can be used by whomever, though the original builder would likely be able to use it best.

[Darth Logos]

The Force connection to build the saber is correct, otherwise is would not work in the first place.  After it is built it can be used by whomever, though the original builder would likely be able to use it best.

That only makes sense, as the design is based on the creator's specs of comfort and application. This would explain why the general issue sabers, temporarily used by Anakin and Obi Wan during the first Battle of Geonosis, were so blah.

[ithekro]

The "singing" of the crystals for an individual could be considered poetic license.  If the Force is as Yoda says, everywhere, the rock, the tree, the crystals, wouldn't it likely be the Force signaling the Jedi that they should take this crystal?  Or perhaps a different take being that the Force want the Jedi to take this crystal and singles it out via "singing" or however one wants to think of it.  The Will of the Force so to speak.

[Darth Logos]

The "singing" of the crystals for an individual could be considered poetic license.  If the Force is as Yoda says, everywhere, the rock, the tree, the crystals, wouldn't it likely be the Force signaling the Jedi that they should take this crystal?  Or perhaps a different take being that the Force want the Jedi to take this crystal and singles it out via "singing" or however one wants to think of it.  The Will of the Force so to speak.

I had thought about the poetic license notion. From what I know of the Jedi rites of saber crafting, crystal selection is more than just going to Illum and picking one up. It also gives rise to the question of does the Force influence your Jedi sect? Blue, green, yellow?

But the whole mess with Force alignment determining color, just turns my stomach.

[Obese Wan Kenobese]

It sounds like Disney canon has settled on the force guiding a padawan to find a certain crystal, which will have a color the force wills. However, dark side users twist the crystal to their will, as dark siders don't open themselves to the force, but demand their own way. This makes the crystal turn red. I think Ahsoka's white was due to cleaning it after the damage done by the dark side user. It may have originally been white before the dark sider took it. I haven't seen examples that all crystals turn color for the user. It does answer a question asked about why can't a dark sider have something other than red. (In new canon, they're all red.)

Have a barf bucket, Logos.-1

[Landen Se-Sentien]

I had thought about the poetic license notion. From what I know of the Jedi rites of saber crafting, crystal selection is more than just going to Illum and picking one up. It also gives rise to the question of does the Force influence your Jedi sect? Blue, green, yellow?

But the whole mess with Force alignment determining color, just turns my stomach.

It sounds like Disney canon has settled on the force guiding a padawan to find a certain crystal, which will have a color the force wills. However, dark side users twist the crystal to their will, as dark siders don't open themselves to the force, but demand their own way. This makes the crystal turn red. I think Ahsoka's white was due to cleaning it after the damage done by the dark side user. It may have originally been white before the dark sider took it. I haven't seen examples that all crystals turn color for the user. It does answer a question asked about why can't a dark sider have something other than red. (In new canon, they're all red.)

Have a barf bucket, Logos.-1

I think Disney was trying to answer questions that they inherited. For example, in TCW, there are a few episodes where younglings go to Ilum and select crystals. Certain crystals sing or shine to certain ones, while the rest can't see or hear it. What's the reasoning behind that? Also, in those episodes, all of the crystals are a pale blue, almost as if they are meant to be colorless. When they get put into sabers, the sabers are blue or green, but they all have the same colored crystal. How does that work? Why was the synthetic crystal Luke fashioned green? Was it the materials or the Force? And those are all pre-Disney canon.

Like I've said before, though, instead of saying the Force abilities, alignment, strengths, etc. of the finder and crafter determining the color and leaving it at that, they went too far and rewrote the whole thing, which just created more questions and more problems but didn't really answer all of the ones that were there before.

[Darth Logos]

I think Disney was trying to answer questions that they inherited. For example, in TCW, there are a few episodes where younglings go to Ilum and select crystals. Certain crystals sing or shine to certain ones, while the rest can't see or hear it. What's the reasoning behind that? Also, in those episodes, all of the crystals are a pale blue, almost as if they are meant to be colorless. When they get put into sabers, the sabers are blue or green, but they all have the same colored crystal. How does that work? Why was the synthetic crystal Luke fashioned green? Was it the materials or the Force? And those are all pre-Disney canon.

Like I've said before, though, instead of saying the Force abilities, alignment, strengths, etc. of the finder and crafter determining the color and leaving it at that, they went too far and rewrote the whole thing, which just created more questions and more problems but didn't really answer all of the ones that were there before.

From my research, Luke took the time to infuse his crystal with color, that's why his is green. An "au natural" synth crystal is simply red. Luke also had a shoto that had such a crytal.

Here's a thought, the animators of TCW were either too lazy or too stupid to color the crystals. Tartikovsky managed to get it right.



Why couldn't it have been that the natural crystals have visual properties similar to those of quartz, but with a light haze of color that is difficult to see, especially in poor lighting, but is easily determined when focused into a blade?


Just sayin'

[Landen Se-Sentien]

From my research, Luke took the time to infuse his crystal with color, that's why his is green. An "au natural" synth crystal is simply red. Luke also had a shoto that had such a crytal.

Here's a thought, the animators of TCW were either too lazy or too stupid to color the crystals. Tartikovsky managed to get it right.



Why couldn't it have been that the natural crystals have visual properties similar to those of quartz, but with a light haze of color that is difficult to see, especially in poor lighting, but is easily determined when focused into a blade?


Just sayin'

In the original canon, Luke made a synthetic crystal. I believe he used a furnace at Obi-Wan's home.

Now, though, there is no such thing as a synthetic crystal, as I'm sure you know.

So then how did Luke get his green cryatal? Like I said, it just opens up new questions without sufficiently wrapping up the old ones.

[For Tyeth]

I know this may be a "lazy" suggestion but I did read somewhere that Obi-Wan liked to modify and improve his saber over time (in real life this was used to explain the differences between the props used in the films). Possibly Kenobi had another crystal that hadn't been meditated on that Luke used.
Then there are the rumours that the green crystal came from Qui-gon's hilt which Kenobi kept after TPM but on StarWars.com it says Qui-gon's saber was later kept at the Jedi Temple in a memorial to Jinn but after Order 66 who knows.

I am probably wrong, I'm struggling to know anything for sure now.

[ithekro]

Heir to the Jedi, Luke is given a Rodian Jedi's lightsaber (which has a purple blade), but he managed to damaged it while trying to figure out how it works.  I don't know if he kept the crystal, but that could be used as the source for his later green bladed weapon.  The color changing to reflect whatever he was meditating on as he built it.

We can guess that Ezra is using the same crystal he got on Lothal, and that the blade color changed for some reason when he built his second lightsaber.

Ahsoka's shota blade is a yellowish-green rather than green like her main blade.  The producers said they tried to push that blade as close to yellow as they could get away with at that time while still under Lucas.

If don't know why blade are certain colors.  An old theory was that Windu's blade was purple because it was a mix of red and blue to show how close to the dark side is fighting style was.   However there is the alternate explaination that the colors are an EM spectrum representation of the Force Light Side and Dark Side range.    Blue seems to be very common with Jedi with Green being rarer.  Red seems to be for all the dark siders presently (I have yet to find a dark sider in the current canon that has as lightsaber they built post-fall that is not red).  On the EM spectrum, Violet is on one end and Red is on the other, with yellow and green in the middle.  Because blue seem to be the common Jedi color, perhaps that is the standard wavelength of the Light Side.  Green is a bit darker in thought, though Anakin's blade is still blue, though more Cyan than his first one. Luke's saber is green when he is full or questions and has doubt.  We have no clue when Yoda made his lightsaber in his long, long life, or what he was like as a youth.  Ahsoka's second blade was more yellow than her first after a year or so of war and training by Anakin, both of which should have changed her outlook in life.  The Temple Guard sabers are yellow which would be about the balance point between blue and red on the EM Spectrum, perhaps to signify the scales of justice.  We've not seen an Orange saber in the current canon.  Windu's is purple.  Would that mean he could not fall to the dark side, or that he's Light Side was equal to the strongest dark sider?   The white sabers are a mix of the entire spectrum.  It is speculation at this point.

The Darksaber is still an anomaly, but we'll be seeing it again really soon in Rebels.

[Landen Se-Sentien]

Luke's green crystal explained, at least the original story.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker's_lightsaber

Mace's crystal.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hurrikaine_crystal