Best DC movie ever?

[Darth Knox]

Suicide Squad, the latest entry into the DCEU is almost among us and so far the entries have been critically and generally received quite mixed. Some people love the darker grittier tone and deconstruction of the superhero that occurred in Man of Steel and BvS, while others felt those movies strayed too far from the ideals set forth in the original material.

With the MCU riding high on its success and so much (perceived) pressure for Suicide Squad to succeed both financially and with critics and fans, I thought this an appropriate time to ask: What is the best DC movie ever?

RULES:
1- You cannot include any of the DC animated movies (yes, that includes The Dark Knight Returns and The Killing Joke)
2- If you're a Marvel fan, no knocking those people who love the DC movies
3- If you're a DC fan, no knocking those people who love the MCU
4- Give reasons as to why you made your pick (let's create a discussion)

So, my choice for best DC movie ever was difficult to decide on. Superman (1978) gave us the definitive portrayal of Clark Kent/Superman, a bench mark by which all subsequent Superman actors are judged. It hasn't aged well in certain places though, but I still massively enjoy it. And Batman (1966) is just so much campy ridiculous fun. You cannot help but smile just at the thought of anti-shark repellant or Adam West running with a giant bomb over his head.

Constantine, V for Vendetta and Watchmen are all solid entries as was Nolan's Bat-trilogy (with the exception of Rises which was the weakest of the three in my opinion). Unsurprisingly, the decision came down to Batman (1989) and The Dark Knight (Joker vs Joker). Keaton was more menacing in the suit and more tortured as Bruce Wayne and has the best "I'm Batman" delivery outside of Kevin Conroy. But Ledger gave arguably the most definitive portrayal of the Joker in live action. 1989 version is a bit camp in places, but does well to invoke the Gothic nature of Gotham. The Dark Knight has Gary Oldman AND Liam Neeson.

This is so hard..............


The Dark Knight gets the win for me (just).

[Kham-Ryn Kurios]

I'm going to have to pick Batman (1989), with Man of Steel in a very close second. Both of these movies resonate with me on a deep, deep, level.

I was born in 1989 and five years later I lost my dad, being five years old I was naturally confused and angry as something had happened to me that hadn't happened to anyone else I knew; Father's day instantly became the worst day of the year. Now, before I had even known there was a Batman movie, I was knee deep into The Animated Series of the early 90's, which became my coping mechanism, as well as the Spider-Man comics my older brother bought and read with me. I had no trouble Identifying with these characters who had suffered such a loss in their lives. However, it wasn't until I saw Batman that all of that confusion and frustration finally made sense, because as time went on I had become more insular and unwilling to allow others into my world; I had an extremely difficult time making friends or even caring about having friends to begin with.  It was because of these characters that therapists, as well as my family, finally had a through line into getting me to talk about how  I was feeling. So while I would never tout Batman as a character that deals with his issues in a healthy manner, the character represented a justification for what I had been feeling and holding in for so many years.

Later, I come to find that I had been misdiagnosed ADD and ADHD several times before one intelligent doctor surmised that I was in fact on the autism spectrum; something my mother had suspected since I was a child and wound up explaining a ton of my behavioral quirks. When MoS released I couldn't help but understand everything that Clark/Kal felt about himself regarding his place in the world, his purpose, the inherent alienation because he knows he's different.

I don't think I could ever pick a favorite company, both have enriched my life with the characters they create and stories they tell, but Superman and Batman are truly my Yin and Yang.  

Also, based on early reviews of Suicide Squad it is becoming more and more apparent that if it isn't touched by Marvel critics will refuse to like it on the sole principle that "Marvel does it better" and that hurts. Not me, it hurts the genre, if Marvel is the only studio putting out CBM the whole thing will fall apart. I applaud DC for taking their universe in a completely different direction, because just like Batman and Superman, Marvel and DC are two sides of the same coin.

[Darth Knox]

I don't think I could ever pick a favorite company, both have enriched my life with the characters they create and stories they tell, but Superman and Batman are truly my Yin and Yang. 

The funny thing is, comments made by David Ayre are just inflaming the whole imaginary divide that exists. It is entirely possible to like both companies. Or prefer one over the other. Personally, I'm a Marvel fan. I don't love everything they do though. I do love a number of DC titles, but not all of them. There are so many titles it's impossible to like everything that one company produces. In movie terms, the MCU has had longer to hone their craft and have a team dedicated purely to making this product the best it can be. I haven't been blown away by the DC movies so far, but fully admit that they haven't been awful. However, just because I haven't enjoyed them, I hold nothing against those who do.

I think the best thing DC could do is hire different directors for it's projects, have a Godfather overseeing the entire franchise (like Kevin Feige at Marvel) and Warner Bros should create a studio dedicated to just making comic book movies.

Also, based on early reviews of Suicide Squad it is becoming more and more apparent that if it isn't touched by Marvel critics will refuse to like it on the sole principle that "Marvel does it better" and that hurts. Not me, it hurts the genre, if Marvel is the only studio putting out CBM the whole thing will fall apart. I applaud DC for taking their universe in a completely different direction, because just like Batman and Superman, Marvel and DC are two sides of the same coin.

I feel a little bit sorry for DC as they are in an impossible position. Back in 2008 when Marvel launched phase 1 that was to culminate in the Avengers, everyone (so-called experts in the movie industry) said that it was a bad idea and couldn't be done. "that's not how movies are made and business plans are written". And yet, we all know the success that the MCU has become. Meanwhile, DC was lagging behind. Partly due to be cautious and partly because Marvel Studios is an independent studio whereas DC is part of Warner and doesn't have resources dedicated just to making comic book movies. With each Marvel movie that came out, comic book fans kept asking why DC wasn't doing the same (with the exception of the Nolan bat-trilogy).

Eventually, DC are now in a position that if they follow the Marvel template, they wil be accused of copying and unoriginality. If they do something different, people complain that the movies aren't "like Marvel". Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Personally, I don't mind dark and gritty, so long as it is suits the character. Plus, variety is nice. That is something Marvel has been experimenting with (Winter Soldier is a political thriller, Ant-man is a heist movie, Guardians was a space opera). I think DC are trying something different with Suicide Squad and i hope it's good as i've been looking forward to the movie all year.

[LivingBrain]

New member here! Been lurking for a while and this topic was enough to get me to finally jump in and discuss! I'm a huge superhero and movie fan hoping to start a career in filmmaking (I've gotten to work on some pretty cool stuff so far and am hoping to move to LA in the near future) and am excited to find some like-minded people to nerd out with.  

I'm also very happy to see a topic dedicated to looking at DC positively because, while I am more of a Marvel fan, I love DC as well, and have been disappointed by many of their recent entries because I want them to succeed in the same way Marvel has.

Anyways, for my pick I have to go with SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE. Enough has been said about Christopher Reeve's masterful performance that will likely never be beaten, but I think what this movie best captures is the down-to-earth, good-natured decency that is so integral to Superman. Complaints of it having not aged well are certainly warranted and his traveling through the time stream in the third act is definitely jarring (though the second film explores the consequences of this in an interesting way, however I do feel like it compromises Superman's character a bit), but they don't change the fact that this film is a concentrated dose of everything Superman stands for and, like the tagline says, definitely makes you believe a man can fly.

It also finds a great way around a complaint that is often lobbied at Superman as a character: that he's boring and too perfect (I think these complaints often misunderstand the charm of the character, but I can definitely understand how he can be a major turnoff for some). By focusing on his romance with Lois the film finds a relatable, human desire that makes him easy to empathize with, and the chemistry between Reeve and Margot Kidder is electric, making it a treat to watch them interact. I've heard it said that the romance in this film is the A plot while the villain is the B plot, and I believe this is an apt description of the movie's appeal.

Let's not forget either that this movie set the standard for superhero films for years to come. After a relatively positive reception to 1966's BATMAN: THE MOVIE, this came in and was a smash hit with audiences, tapping into a desire for hope and optimism in a torn 1970's America that was met by another certain space opera that we all love. Without the success of this film, it's likely that we would not have Tim Burton's BATMAN, Sam Raimi's SPIDER-MAN, or Christopher Nolan's DARK KNIGHT Trilogy (the first entry of which even borrowed structural elements of SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE for the origin story of its Caped Crusader), or any of the many superhero movies we see today. This is a landmark superhero film; the one that arguably started it all.

For all of these reasons, I think SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE is the best DC film, and I'm rooting for DC to capture this same magic with audiences again (I have high hopes for WONDER WOMAN)!

[Kham-Ryn Kurios]

I think the best thing DC could do is hire different directors for it's projects, have a Godfather overseeing the entire franchise (like Kevin Feige at Marvel) and Warner Bros should create a studio dedicated to just making comic book movies.

DC's Kevin Feige is officially Geoff Johns, he is now the President of DC Entertainment. Starting with BvS he will be hands on with all of the films as Executive Producer. I also remember hearing that he is writing the batman movie alongside Affleck, as well as writing the story for Aquaman with James Wan.

[LivingBrain]

Eventually, DC are now in a position that if they follow the Marvel template, they wil be accused of copying and unoriginality. If they do something different, people complain that the movies aren't "like Marvel". Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Personally, I don't mind dark and gritty, so long as it is suits the character. Plus, variety is nice. That is something Marvel has been experimenting with (Winter Soldier is a political thriller, Ant-man is a heist movie, Guardians was a space opera). I think DC are trying something different with Suicide Squad and i hope it's good as i've been looking forward to the movie all year.

Hope you don't mind me entering the discussion, but I think this is a good point to make about DC's reception. However, I think what's been killing them is that they haven't sold people on the characters.

Whenever something is successful I often see studios taking surface-level characteristics to try and recreate its success (in this case, the "light, joke-y" tone of Marvel), but I don't think this is what brings people on board. Yes, tone is important, but people ultimately respond to characters.

I think a lot of Marvel's success comes from how well they set up the characters in Phase 1. IRON MAN had a billionaire playboy learning to take responsibility for his actions, THOR had the son of a king learning the humility necessary to wield the great power he's been given (and dealing with his jealous brother), and CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER had a kind, decent, and humble man wanting nothing but to do good for the world receiving the power necessary to do so, and influencing others along the way. This all culminated in THE AVENGERS, which featured all of these characters putting their differences aside to work together to save the world.

Because they put in a lot of character work, Marvel made people fall in love with these characters, many of whom were considered obscure at the time (think back to the 2000's; would you even think Thor, Captain America, or Iron Man would be popular?). While I do think they've become somewhat lazy with their stories since THE AVENGERS (IRON MAN THREE and GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY being the exception to this), they still have the same, lovable characters and keep them true to their core characteristics, which keeps audiences coming back again and again. They also happen to be great at introducing characters in general (such as the Guardians of the Galaxy, or Black Panther and Spider-Man in CIVIL WAR), so people will keep coming back for new characters as long as its associated with Marvel.

A more apt way to think of Marvel is less "jokey and fun," and more "characters you love to spend time with." This is the same appeal that TV shows have (I once visited a drama development executive at ABC who told me casting is everything when it comes to a successful TV show, as audiences will follow good characters played by great actors anywhere), which I think leads to their long term success, even though it's possible people will get tired eventually if they can't step their stories up.

However, I don't think DC has sold these characters the same way Marvel has. Many people complain that these characters aren't true to their core characteristics (Superman is morally conflicted and mopey, Batman is a murdering psychopath, etc.) and, for the most part, they're right. While what DC is doing is a great basis for deconstruction, it's not great for introducing characters. This is because a deconstruction does exactly what it sounds like it does: deconstruct a character to show how unrealistic they are. THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS did this for Batman, and WATCHMEN did it for the whole comics medium in general.

By going with a deconstructionist route to these characters you can definitely make interesting movies (and Zack Snyder never fails to make an interesting movie), but you won't be able to get audiences on board to follow these characters through thick and thin. Rather than building a foundation, you're tearing it down. To be literal, who wants to live in a house that's being taken down in front of your eyes?

I'm very hopeful for DC, and from the trailers and online buzz about SUICIDE SQUAD it seems like they may have sold audiences on Harley Quinn, but I'm worried that they'll take the wrong lessons from Marvel by just trying to appear more fun rather than giving the audience characters they can love. I have high hopes for WONDER WOMAN, but SUICIDE SQUAD and JUSTICE LEAGUE seem like a very nervous course correction to me. Maybe once they get past those they'll figure it out (or maybe even figure it out with them; I'll have a better idea when I see SUICIDE SQUAD), but I feel like we're going to go through a long transitionary period for the DCEU before we start getting the movies audiences want, if they even figure that out (and I really hope they do). Hopefully audiences will still be willing to give them a chance by then.

[Darth Knox]

Firstly, LivingBrain, welcome to the madhouse. I'm glad you decided to break radio silence and join us.

I totally agree with everything you said about Superman '78. It is still my favourite Superman movie and still the best portrayal of the character in any incarnation (including tv and animated). The one scene that perfectly encapsulates how great and subtle an actor Christopher Reeve was is after he has been flying with Lois and then comes to her apartment as Clark Kent. Lois goes to get a cardigan and Reeve takes off his glasses and smiles. Instant transformation from Clark Kent to Superman and he wasn't even in the suit! I also love the anger in his face after Lois dies and he flies off into the clouds yelling (his Wrath of Khan moment! lol). As a movie, it is still one of my favourites, even if parts are little dated. That being said, I don't mind dated as I still love and appreciate Adam West's Batman too.

DC's Kevin Feige is officially Geoff Johns, he is now the President of DC Entertainment. Starting with BvS he will be hands on with all of the films as Executive Producer. I also remember hearing that he is writing the batman movie alongside Affleck, as well as writing the story for Aquaman with James Wan.

I know that Geoff Johns has been put into that position, but I don't think it is quite the same shepherding role as Feige. However, it is definitely a good thing, as I loved Johns' run on Green Lantern. Some of the best comic storylines from either DC or Marvel from the past 10 years.

Hope you don't mind me entering the discussion, but I think this is a good point to make about DC's reception. However, I think what's been killing them is that they haven't sold people on the characters.

Whenever something is successful I often see studios taking surface-level characteristics to try and recreate its success (in this case, the "light, joke-y" tone of Marvel), but I don't think this is what brings people on board. Yes, tone is important, but people ultimately respond to characters.

I think a lot of Marvel's success comes from how well they set up the characters in Phase 1. IRON MAN had a billionaire playboy learning to take responsibility for his actions, THOR had the son of a king learning the humility necessary to wield the great power he's been given (and dealing with his jealous brother), and CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER had a kind, decent, and humble man wanting nothing but to do good for the world receiving the power necessary to do so, and influencing others along the way. This all culminated in THE AVENGERS, which featured all of these characters putting their differences aside to work together to save the world.

Because they put in a lot of character work, Marvel made people fall in love with these characters, many of whom were considered obscure at the time (think back to the 2000's; would you even think Thor, Captain America, or Iron Man would be popular?). While I do think they've become somewhat lazy with their stories since THE AVENGERS (IRON MAN THREE and GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY being the exception to this), they still have the same, lovable characters and keep them true to their core characteristics, which keeps audiences coming back again and again. They also happen to be great at introducing characters in general (such as the Guardians of the Galaxy, or Black Panther and Spider-Man in CIVIL WAR), so people will keep coming back for new characters as long as its associated with Marvel.

A more apt way to think of Marvel is less "jokey and fun," and more "characters you love to spend time with." This is the same appeal that TV shows have (I once visited a drama development executive at ABC who told me casting is everything when it comes to a successful TV show, as audiences will follow good characters played by great actors anywhere), which I think leads to their long term success, even though it's possible people will get tired eventually if they can't step their stories up.

However, I don't think DC has sold these characters the same way Marvel has. Many people complain that these characters aren't true to their core characteristics (Superman is morally conflicted and mopey, Batman is a murdering psychopath, etc.) and, for the most part, they're right. While what DC is doing is a great basis for deconstruction, it's not great for introducing characters. This is because a deconstruction does exactly what it sounds like it does: deconstruct a character to show how unrealistic they are. THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS did this for Batman, and WATCHMEN did it for the whole comics medium in general.

By going with a deconstructionist route to these characters you can definitely make interesting movies (and Zack Snyder never fails to make an interesting movie), but you won't be able to get audiences on board to follow these characters through thick and thin. Rather than building a foundation, you're tearing it down. To be literal, who wants to live in a house that's being taken down in front of your eyes?

I'm very hopeful for DC, and from the trailers and online buzz about SUICIDE SQUAD it seems like they may have sold audiences on Harley Quinn, but I'm worried that they'll take the wrong lessons from Marvel by just trying to appear more fun rather than giving the audience characters they can love. I have high hopes for WONDER WOMAN, but SUICIDE SQUAD and JUSTICE LEAGUE seem like a very nervous course correction to me. Maybe once they get past those they'll figure it out (or maybe even figure it out with them; I'll have a better idea when I see SUICIDE SQUAD), but I feel like we're going to go through a long transitionary period for the DCEU before we start getting the movies audiences want, if they even figure that out (and I really hope they do). Hopefully audiences will still be willing to give them a chance by then.

my main issue/complaint about DC is that they seem to be in a rush to catch up with Marvel, even if they aren't really in competition (that perception is more from the fans). I agree wholeheartedly with what you said about Marvel's approach. If you look at the phase 1 movies and compare them to the phase 3 ones, things are darker and grittier (for a Marvel movie) and stakes were higher (especially in Civil war) because of all the character groundwork that has been laid and developed in the previous instalments. Whether you agree with Stark or not, you understand why he acts/believes what he does. Same with every other character. The main complaint thrown at the MCU is that their villains are weak (apart from Loki. And Red Skull). This is true, but the upshot is that they have spent loads of time developing the characters.

I wasn't the biggest fan of BvS. I didn't hate it. I just found it uneven and some of the acting (eisenberg) out of place. However, the recent Honest Trailers from Screen Junkies did point out some good points, namely they included several storylines that could have made great individual movies all in one. BvS had to:

Introduce a new Batman
Be a sequel to Man of Steel
Introduce Wonder Woman
Set up a future Justice League movie
Have the two lead superheroes meet, disagree, fall out, fight and then team up to fight a bigger threat
Financially prove that DC can make a movie that will compete with the MCU
Appeal to critics
Appeal to fans

All this in ONE movie. Ambitious, yes. But ultimately the execution is what caused the divisiveness among fans and critics. Personally I think they should have done a Man of Steel sequel laying breadcrumbs about Batman and the upcoming conflict. Then have a solo Batman movie with a Wonder Woman cameo, with a few more breadcrumbs. THEN have BvS with thee justice league cameos. However, hindsight is a wonderful thing (although as excited as I was, I did have misgivings about the movie beforehand).

With all that being said, I want all comic book movies to do well. If all CBM do well then the bubble will not burst. However, apart from Deadpool, Civil War and BvS (financially) I think this year has been quite bad for big budget movies. I hope Suicide Squad is good, then comes Assassins Creed before we get to Dr Strange.....

Question - as great as Margot Robbie looks as Harley Quinn, is it just me or is anyone else upset she's not doing the voice from the Arkham games?

[LivingBrain]

Firstly, LivingBrain, welcome to the madhouse. I'm glad you decided to break radio silence and join us.

I totally agree with everything you said about Superman '78. It is still my favourite Superman movie and still the best portrayal of the character in any incarnation (including tv and animated). The one scene that perfectly encapsulates how great and subtle an actor Christopher Reeve was is after he has been flying with Lois and then comes to her apartment as Clark Kent. Lois goes to get a cardigan and Reeve takes off his glasses and smiles. Instant transformation from Clark Kent to Superman and he wasn't even in the suit! I also love the anger in his face after Lois dies and he flies off into the clouds yelling (his Wrath of Khan moment! lol). As a movie, it is still one of my favourites, even if parts are little dated. That being said, I don't mind dated as I still love and appreciate Adam West's Batman too.
I know that Geoff Johns has been put into that position, but I don't think it is quite the same shepherding role as Feige. However, it is definitely a good thing, as I loved Johns' run on Green Lantern. Some of the best comic storylines from either DC or Marvel from the past 10 years.
my main issue/complaint about DC is that they seem to be in a rush to catch up with Marvel, even if they aren't really in competition (that perception is more from the fans). I agree wholeheartedly with what you said about Marvel's approach. If you look at the phase 1 movies and compare them to the phase 3 ones, things are darker and grittier (for a Marvel movie) and stakes were higher (especially in Civil war) because of all the character groundwork that has been laid and developed in the previous instalments. Whether you agree with Stark or not, you understand why he acts/believes what he does. Same with every other character. The main complaint thrown at the MCU is that their villains are weak (apart from Loki. And Red Skull). This is true, but the upshot is that they have spent loads of time developing the characters.

I wasn't the biggest fan of BvS. I didn't hate it. I just found it uneven and some of the acting (eisenberg) out of place. However, the recent Honest Trailers from Screen Junkies did point out some good points, namely they included several storylines that could have made great individual movies all in one. BvS had to:

Introduce a new Batman
Be a sequel to Man of Steel
Introduce Wonder Woman
Set up a future Justice League movie
Have the two lead superheroes meet, disagree, fall out, fight and then team up to fight a bigger threat
Financially prove that DC can make a movie that will compete with the MCU
Appeal to critics
Appeal to fans

All this in ONE movie. Ambitious, yes. But ultimately the execution is what caused the divisiveness among fans and critics. Personally I think they should have done a Man of Steel sequel laying breadcrumbs about Batman and the upcoming conflict. Then have a solo Batman movie with a Wonder Woman cameo, with a few more breadcrumbs. THEN have BvS with thee justice league cameos. However, hindsight is a wonderful thing (although as excited as I was, I did have misgivings about the movie beforehand).

With all that being said, I want all comic book movies to do well. If all CBM do well then the bubble will not burst. However, apart from Deadpool, Civil War and BvS (financially) I think this year has been quite bad for big budget movies. I hope Suicide Squad is good, then comes Assassins Creed before we get to Dr Strange.....

Question - as great as Margot Robbie looks as Harley Quinn, is it just me or is anyone else upset she's not doing the voice from the Arkham games?

I think to an extent there may be some business competition from the studios, but I think most of the creative voices are friendly. A lot of the competition is definitely from the fans, but Zack Snyder calling Ant-Man "flavor of the week" a while back or all of David Ayer's shots at Marvel show that some of those in charge have that edge to them. I think you're right that a lot of it is fan perception, but it's. It entirely clean behind the scenes.

As far as Harley goes, I'm not too disappointed in her not using the Arkham voice. A lot of this has to do with that I don't like the Arkham games' portrayal of Harley, but some of it has to do with that I like seeing what different spins artists put on characters. What is it that you like about Arkham Harley?

[Kham-Ryn Kurios]

Question - as great as Margot Robbie looks as Harley Quinn, is it just me or is anyone else upset she's not doing the voice from the Arkham games?

It can get a little irritating, which I think adds to her character, but general audiences might not be so willing look past it.

In a recent USA Today interview she had this to say regarding the voice of Harley Quinn:

“[Quinn’s] got a very high-pitched voice, which for the lighthearted stuff, the crazy stuff, works really well. But when it’s a pretty raw emotional scene, you lose the gravity when you’re speaking in such a high voice.”

She said that she landed on a combination of the original animated Harley Quinn and Lorraine Bracco’s famous performance on The Sopranos:

“[Lorraine Bracco is] nuts in some scenes, completely crazy, but it’s never a high-pitched crazy doll voice. It comes from a very real deep primal place. My spectrum goes from Lorraine Bracco to animated Harley, and it’s just a roller coaster between those two throughout the film.”

What is it that you like about Arkham Harley?

Tara Strong.  

[LivingBrain]

It can get a little irritating, which I think adds to her character, but general audiences might not be so willing look past it.

In a recent USA Today interview she had this to say regarding the voice of Harley Quinn:

“[Quinn’s] got a very high-pitched voice, which for the lighthearted stuff, the crazy stuff, works really well. But when it’s a pretty raw emotional scene, you lose the gravity when you’re speaking in such a high voice.”

She said that she landed on a combination of the original animated Harley Quinn and Lorraine Bracco’s famous performance on The Sopranos:

“[Lorraine Bracco is] nuts in some scenes, completely crazy, but it’s never a high-pitched crazy doll voice. It comes from a very real deep primal place. My spectrum goes from Lorraine Bracco to animated Harley, and it’s just a roller coaster between those two throughout the film.”

Tara Strong.  

Lol compelling reason!

I really like that interview with Margot. It looks like she did a lot of research for the character.

To be honest, I get uncomfortable with Arkham Harley. Her portrayal feels exploitative at times and I'm not a huge fan of it. I do like her in Arkham Asylum because she's very proactive in the story, but she got more infantile as the series went on and the player was given more opportunities to humiliate her. She's definitely always been infantile and provocative, but I feel like those games just turned it up to 11. Do you feel the same way?

[Darth Knox]

Kevin Feige has already gone on record saying tha he wants DC movies to succeed as there are certain section of the general oublic who cannot distinguish between a marvel character and a dc character. All they see are superheroes. So if any movie isn't well received it affects the whole genre. Obviously Feige wants to be more successful, but not to the detriment of DC. Some fans get waaaaay to militant/territorial/tribalistic about their preferences though. It's almost like supporting s footbal team (soccer from our American readers).

I like Harley's voice and characterisation in the Arkham games. I fully understand why Margot went a different route with her protrayal, but still, there's a part of me that wishes for the Arkham harley voice in the movie.

I never watched the Sopranos, but i loved Lorraine Braco in Goodfellas (amazing how many actors from that movie ended up in the show!).

I am pretty excited to see what the new Joker will be like. It seems like Jared Leto is combining elememts from Caesar Romero, Nicholson, Ledger and some of the comics to come up with a new take. Time wil tell if that works.
Fingers crossed.

[Drahcir]

Nothing really compares to what the Nolan trilogy did for DC movies at least in my mind.
They are the last DC movies I really got excited about seeing.
Ledger's joker is by far my favorite, and he's the reason his movie is my #1

Nicholson is worthy an honorable mention.
I didn't hate Man of Steel, it's not my favorite, but it is a movie I'd watch if I see it on.

Currently Wonder Woman is a contender for taking the number one spot, but only time will tell.

Recently picked up a beautiful Wonder Woman comic to add to my collection.
 

[LivingBrain]

Nothing really compares to what the Nolan trilogy did for DC movies at least in my mind.
They are the last DC movies I really got excited about seeing.
Ledger's joker is by far my favorite, and he's the reason his movie is my #1

Nicholson is worthy an honorable mention.
I didn't hate Man of Steel, it's not my favorite, but it is a movie I'd watch if I see it on.

Currently Wonder Woman is a contender for taking the number one spot, but only time will tell.

Recently picked up a beautiful Wonder Woman comic to add to my collection.
 

Dude, I'm looking forward to WONDER WOMAN also! Have you seen this poster?



It's freaking gorgeous! I love it!

[Drahcir]

Yeah, I love the poster.
Love the Power. Grace. Wisdom. Wonder tagline also.
High hopes!

[scifidude79]

Batman & Robin




No, not really. 

Seriously, this is a tough call.  So many good ones to choose from.  If I had to choose one from the list, it would have to be Superman (1978) with Christopher Reeve, Gene Hackman, Marlon Brando and so many other wonderful people.  It was written by Mario Puzo and directed by Richard Donner, who never should have been fired from the sequel.

Why?  Because it's awesome!  It's also slightly older than I am, so I watched it a LOT growing up, so it's near and dear to my heart.  The technology used to bring it to life was just amazing and groundbreaking.  Nobody had actually made a man look like he was flying before.  The team who brought it to life, including Christopher Reeve himself, who was a trained hang glider pilot, was amazing.  The story is good and the acting is great, particularly from Christopher Reeve.  Sure, the plot is outrageous and unbelievable, but it was just the thing Superman needed for his big screen debut.  Add to that an amazing score by John Williams and it's pure gold.

Honorable mentions include Tim Burton's Batman, (1989) which also has an awesome score by Danny Elfman, Batman Returns and Nolan's Batman trilogy. I love them all.