New Sabers: Butcher & Savior

[Zren Tobas]

I never played the games but I always liked the look of both sabers so I can't wait to get either one so My top choice is still a black Savior though in Blazing Red ;o

[Zyn]

I'd like to see a butcher with a fulcrum or lost grey pommel. I think that would look pretty cool.

I have a Lost Grey and will post this when I can. of course, I already made the swap, but I think I like default Butcher pommel a bit better.

[Darth Logos]

In response to the hate, let me just say I don’t get it. And yet, it’s something that’s apparent in almost any collecting community, or hobby enthusiasts group. Breaking it down in it’s simplest form, we could compare Ford and Chevy drivers. They are both very popular car makers and therefore, a good chunk of us will probably start out buying one or the other...and there’s nothing like that first experience. Then, after some time of driving one brand and getting very comfortable with it, those same people will switch up and try the other brand. It will usually feel a bit different, maybe even have some upgrades that take some time to adapt to. And while their favorite brand may have those same upgrades, all those little differences are now attributed to the other brand. And if they happen to get a lemon, they’re all lemons. Those folks will return to what they are used to and condemn the other brand.

Collectors are no different. Some will sample the fruits of other brands and enjoy the variety, while most will get caught up in the hype—or stick with that brand who started it all for them. And being fairly new to saber collecting, I can only say that looking around, I’ve seen companies who state anything without sound is a glow stick or a flashlight (and therefore a toy), others state sound and batteries change up the true dimensions of any saber and sound sabers are just toys. Scale is something that’s almost always an issue. I also collect diecast cars (Hotwheels, Johnny Lightning, etc...) and the battle of what is actually a true 1/64 scale, the stance of the car, rubber Vs. plastic tires, metal bases Vs. plastic bases, and overall accuracy demanded by some in a 3 inch car are arguments that go on and on.

What I’ve learned is simple: collect what YOU like. And enjoy it. Collecting for monetary value is always a crap shoot. And you’re never going to please everyone. 100% accuracy is rare and would probably mean licensing fees and more cost for the consumer. On the other hand, attention to detailing is always a winner. And if a company listens to their community and responds, that’s a rarity. Everyone is entitled to THEIR opinion. But what’s right for them isn’t going to be right for everyone.

Eventually, I will branch out and sample other brands. But I have to say, I feel like the companies who state in their banner that the “other guys” are just making toys and therefore crap, put me off. They have to know how that sounds—and consider that while they might want the other guys customers to sample their wares, they might also be offending the people who like that company they are casually putting down. That’s not a smart—or a user friendly—business model. If you only offer sound it’s because that’s you’re preference. If you don’t offer sound and focus on accuracy of models, let us know that too, but don’t slam everything else as a toy...because hey, collectibles range from plastic to metal and you’re almost always going to offend a good chunk of the collector’s market you’re trying to entice.  My two cents

Is this in the right thread?

[scifidude79]

Is this in the right thread?

Yes. Some people on social media apparently called out the size of the Butcher and Savior, I pointed out that they're not off base with the sizes based on game images. And, some others pointed out that some people like to hate on anything Ultrasabers releases. So, yes, it is relevant to the conversation about the Butcher and Savior.

[Darth Logos]

Yes. Some people on social media apparently called out the size of the Butcher and Savior, I pointed out that they're not off base with the sizes based on game images. And, some others pointed out that some people like to hate on anything Ultrasabers releases. So, yes, it is relevant to the conversation about the Butcher and Savior.

Yeah....opinions. I know what that's like. It's like I'm all for a Yoda replica, but I'm very much looking forward to the US upscale. I always thought that saber was ridiculously too small even for Yoda.

[scifidude79]

Honestly, many of the hilts in the movies are ridiculously small. Look at Sidious's tiny sabers, or even Mace Windu's. You have to hammer fist your grip, which isn't even correct for Kendo, the martial art upon which lightsaber fighting in the prequels is built. A nice, 13-inch hilt like the Savior gives you ample room for a grip with your hands spaced appropriately. Anakin's Episode II hilt is pretty dang small too, but that makes sense as he would have been much younger and smaller when he built that saber. Yoda's definitely is too small, he also has to hammer fist his grip. Though, there's a difference between it looks good on screen and it's practical. Ultrasbers goes for practical.

[Infinit01]

In response to the hate, let me just say I don’t get it. And yet, it’s something that’s apparent in almost any collecting community, or hobby enthusiasts group. Breaking it down in it’s simplest form, we could compare Ford and Chevy drivers. They are both very popular car makers and therefore, a good chunk of us will probably start out buying one or the other...and there’s nothing like that first experience. Then, after some time of driving one brand and getting very comfortable with it, those same people will switch up and try the other brand. It will usually feel a bit different, maybe even have some upgrades that take some time to adapt to. And while their favorite brand may have those same upgrades, all those little differences are now attributed to the other brand. And if they happen to get a lemon, they’re all lemons. Those folks will return to what they are used to and condemn the other brand.

Collectors are no different. Some will sample the fruits of other brands and enjoy the variety, while most will get caught up in the hype—or stick with that brand who started it all for them. And being fairly new to saber collecting, I can only say that looking around, I’ve seen companies who state anything without sound is a glow stick or a flashlight (and therefore a toy), others state sound and batteries change up the true dimensions of any saber and sound sabers are just toys. Scale is something that’s almost always an issue. I also collect diecast cars (Hotwheels, Johnny Lightning, etc...) and the battle of what is actually a true 1/64 scale, the stance of the car, rubber Vs. plastic tires, metal bases Vs. plastic bases, and overall accuracy demanded by some in a 3 inch car are arguments that go on and on.

What I’ve learned is simple: collect what YOU like. And enjoy it. Collecting for monetary value is always a crap shoot. And you’re never going to please everyone. 100% accuracy is rare and would probably mean licensing fees and more cost for the consumer. On the other hand, attention to detailing is always a winner. And if a company listens to their community and responds, that’s a rarity. Everyone is entitled to THEIR opinion. But what’s right for them isn’t going to be right for everyone.

Eventually, I will branch out and sample other brands. But I have to say, I feel like the companies who state in their banner that the “other guys” are just making toys and therefore crap, put me off. They have to know how that sounds—and consider that while they might want the other guys customers to sample their wares, they might also be offending the people who like that company they are casually putting down. That’s not a smart—or a user friendly—business model. If you only offer sound it’s because that’s you’re preference. If you don’t offer sound and focus on accuracy of models, let us know that too, but don’t slam everything else as a toy...because hey, collectibles range from plastic to metal and you’re almost always going to offend a good chunk of the collector’s market you’re trying to entice.  My two cents

I agree with you SD.  I'm a gear head and belong to quite a few car and motorcycle communities and I can say that the hate within a group towards other car groups or cars are utterly ridiculous.  I tend to just ignore them since most in the group aren't car lovers but specific car model lovers and love to try and make people feel bad when they trade their cars in for something better.  And not just the car community but in any hobby that you can think of, there's going to be those elitist types that treat what they have or what they're doing as the end all be all of the trade which it isn't in reality.

The whole purpose of a hobby is to get into something that you really and enjoy and one of the most fun part of it is to share it with like minded people within the hobby.  I see less and less of that in other communities and groups nowadays which is quite sad.  Reasons why I stay in this forum quite a bit since the community isn't blindsided like most.

I just don't get people who hate something because it's popular to hate it. It's like the people who didn't see Solo, yet said it was crap. How do you know? If you saw it and think it's crap, then that's something different. If you've handled an Ultrasaber in person and think it's not a good saber, I'm cool with that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But, don't be sheep and follow what others are doing. Be the alpha wolf and find out for yourself. Just my opinion, of course. I've tried various companies, and there are things that I like and don't like.

You're right, StoryDtechtive, it's very unprofessional when smiths badmouth others. There's one I won't order from because of this, among other factors.

I've own quite a bit of sabers now and most are from US but there are a few some the other guys and I like them just as much even though US is my go to.  I also don't get blindsided and stick with only US and treat the other guys like crap either.  I like them all and I dislike certain things between companies.  Just like my other hobbies, I dabble into the trade itself and don't stay partial to just one idea or company. I may have a strong like or stay loyal to a company while still buy products from others since I like it myself.

How many iPhone and Android users try to hate on each other?  There's tech and audiences for both parties just like sabering and everything else that's hobby.

Same thing goes for movies, books, games, tech, electronics, etc. 

[Darth Logos]

Honestly, many of the hilts in the movies are ridiculously small. Look at Sidious's tiny sabers, or even Mace Windu's. You have to hammer fist your grip, which isn't even correct for Kendo, the martial art upon which lightsaber fighting in the prequels is built. A nice, 13-inch hilt like the Savior gives you ample room for a grip with your hands spaced appropriately. Anakin's Episode II hilt is pretty dang small too, but that makes sense as he would have been much younger and smaller when he built that saber. Yoda's definitely is too small, he also has to hammer fist his grip. Though, there's a difference between it looks good on screen and it's practical. Ultrasbers goes for practical.

Sidious' made sense, though. It made it easy to conceal.

[Golden Fedora]

Sidious' made sense, though. It made it easy to conceal.

but Mace's tho? it did always look too small for him.

[Lady Revan]

I know right?  It's terrible...  But I know that if I gave in and did it, it would just cascade into the following:

"Bud Light presents:  Real Men of Genius.  Today we salute you, Mr. Buys-One-Saber-and-Quickly-Ends-Up-Needlessly-Spending-Fifteen-Hundred-Bucks-on-More-Sabers-So-You-Could-Get-A-Frankensaber Guy.  While most people have the sense not to run up their credit cards on expensive nerd toys, you embrace it.  Your walls are already full of such toys, but you gotta have that oh-so-rare Frankensaber, and you're ready to take down the family pictures to make room for the seven incoming new sabers you had to buy just to get this rare gem.  With Christmas around the corner, you can afford to just give those extra sabers away as presents - no hectic last-minute shopping for you!  So crack open a Bud Light, you deserve it."

I just think it may be a bad idea lol

I caved. On the bright side, I have Christmas presents for all 6 brothers I will see and for my dad, plus bonus goodies for me XD Frankensaber!!!

[Darth Logos]

but Mace's tho? it did always look too small for him.

Looking at this image tells me 2 things:

1) Sam has large hands

2) He either has no clue how to properly grip a sword, or is an avid golf player. His grip looks very similar to how one grips a golf club.

[Infinit01]

Looking at this image tells me 2 things:

1) Sam has large hands

2) He either has no clue how to properly grip a sword, or is an avid golf player. His grip looks very similar to how one grips a golf club.

Or he was told to grip it that way for photo purposes

[Dark Path Media]

Looking at this image tells me 2 things:

1) Sam has large hands

2) He either has no clue how to properly grip a sword, or is an avid golf player. His grip looks very similar to how one grips a golf club.

Lol. That is totally a golf grip. I believe he is an avid golfer.

Speaking to the points earlier about the size of his hilt, it does look quite small.



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[Zyn]

I'm a gear head and belong to quite a few car and motorcycle communities and I can say that the hate within a group towards other car groups or cars are utterly ridiculous. 

Totally this. Can't express how much hate I'm getting for dropping a 350 in a 40's Ford. Sorry, if Ford made an engine as reliable and part-friendly as a 350, I'd use that. Not to mention, it's what I grew up on, but at the end of the day, it's my car and I don't care what other people think I should do to it.

Same goes for sabers or any other hobby people have

[For Tyeth]

Lol. That is totally a golf grip. I believe he is an avid golfer.

I think they call it the Interlocking Grip (where the pinkie and index fingers mesh) but he's doing his best not to!

And Sam has done quite a few Celebrity Pro-Ams in his time like the George Lopez-Bob Hope Classic.