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Author Topic: A note concerning some of the rumors flying around...  (Read 286557 times)
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« Reply #210 on: February 11, 2012, 03:32:48 AM »

I just got a facebook message from someone who claims to be a part of the smear campaign against me.  Apparently, they want this thread deleted and they assured me that if I deleted this thread, the smear campaign would be over. Not really sure how to respond to that. Could be a peace offering, but it sounds like blackmail.
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« Reply #211 on: February 11, 2012, 03:35:30 AM »

Though they say not to look a gift horse in the mouth, you have to ask yourself if this person has the authority to actually do what they claim they will. If they truly can stop a smear campaign like that. If so, then close it down! We all support and believe in you guys!
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« Reply #212 on: February 11, 2012, 03:37:29 AM »

Seriously? It does sound a bit shady, considering all of the other things that people have said that had nothing to do with this thread. That all started looooong before this thread was created.
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« Reply #213 on: February 11, 2012, 03:38:09 AM »

I just got a facebook message from someone who claims to be a part of the smear campaign against me.  Apparently, they want this thread deleted and they assured me that if I deleted this thread, the smear campaign would be over. Not really sure how to respond to that. Could be a peace offering, but it sounds like blackmail.

Meditate on this we must...or Ultra really.

If it can be stopped cool but who knows if what they say is truthful.

It is also your forum. Grin
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« Reply #214 on: February 11, 2012, 03:41:53 AM »

honestly, why doesn't everyone just stay out of these matters? this is between Nova and Ultra. nobody else. i used to care, but im sure both parties are guilty to some extent, and both are guilty to some extent. but whatever is going on should be strictly between the two of them (and Deep if he is involved), nobody else should be slinging mud at either party. they are both cool guys and i'm sad that things didn't work out, but maybe they still can. but probly not if everyone is attack them on behalf of the other.
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« Reply #215 on: February 11, 2012, 05:07:40 AM »

As I said before, and Ultra said before, and many others. If we want to support a side, any side, the best way to do it is POSITIVE words. Tell people how good the product and service is, and back it up with what evidence and experience you have. That's the best you can do. Nobody on either side should be slinging negative stuff back and forth, and that's all there is too it.

Now, that's been said multiple times in the last two pages of this thread, so I'm sure we're all in agreement on that. lol As far as an offer to stop the smear campaign, I'd welcome an end to that junk myself, but it's hard to suggest a course of action to Ultra. It's really got to be his decision what he does in response to that, and it's hard to say if this person really can put a stop to this. I honestly think they only fairly sure way to stop it, would be for ALL those major figures who oppose Ultra or have a problem with him to come out and state to the public that they don't want this kind of thing going on, but that's just my two cents.
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« Reply #216 on: February 11, 2012, 05:19:42 AM »

It wouldn't really matter to me if this topic was deleted. If it puts an end to the ordeal, good, if not, no big deal. Just my opinion.
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« Reply #217 on: February 11, 2012, 06:09:46 AM »

Well, I extended an olive branch to that particular group, inviting them to contact me personally to resolve any personal issues they have. If I caused offense in some way, I will apologize for it.  I'm not above admitting when I'm wrong, that's the only way I stayed married for this long  Cheesy  But seriously, I don't go out of my way to offend people and if there's a way to correct any of the hard feelings out there, I want to do it.

I also asked them to contact us if they have any customer service issues that need to be made right and we will make every effort to satisfy our customers, but I'm pretty sure none of this is about that.

The fact of the matter is, before I started this thread, that group said that I won't allow discussion of any of this because I am hiding it from the public. They said I'm out to squash the truth, silence dissenters, and I have not posted a defense because I have none. It was the classic, "Your silence confirms your guilt" prosecution. So then I open this thread to allow this discussion and now I am beating a dead horse, escalating the issue, and instigating argument.  Seems like a lose-lose scenario, but if I had to choose between one or the other, I will choose the dead horse so that at least yall get some answers.

As for Nova, Deep and I would like to have Nova back here and work things out.  We're just waiting to hear from him.  If you notice, he isn't the one going all over the internet stirring the pot. I think he has more sense than to do that kind of thing.  Unfortunately, others are starting online crusades in his name and those are the people that will turn against him if he ever decides to reconcile with us.

I think he should reconcile with us and not worry about the "others". The legal situation we are in can be remedied with all of us coming out winners. I know he's a good person and will have a good future here if we can just get over the past.
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« Reply #218 on: February 11, 2012, 06:16:43 AM »

Well, I extended an olive branch to that particular group, inviting them to contact me personally to resolve any personal issues they have. If I caused offense in some way, I will apologize for it.  I'm not above admitting when I'm wrong, that's the only way I stayed married for this long  Cheesy  But seriously, I don't go out of my way to offend people and if there's a way to correct any of the hard feelings out there, I want to do it.

I also asked them to contact us if they have any customer service issues that need to be made right and we will make every effort to satisfy our customers, but I'm pretty sure none of this is about that.

The fact of the matter is, before I started this thread, that group said that I won't allow discussion of any of this because I am hiding it from the public. They said I'm out to squash the truth, silence dissenters, and I have not posted a defense because I have none. It was the classic, "Your silence confirms your guilt" prosecution. So then I open this thread to allow this discussion and now I am beating a dead horse, escalating the issue, and instigating argument.  Seems like a lose-lose scenario, but if I had to choose between one or the other, I will choose the dead horse so that at least yall get some answers.

As for Nova, Deep and I would like to have Nova back here and work things out.  We're just waiting to hear from him.  If you notice, he isn't the one going all over the internet stirring the pot. I think he has more sense than to do that kind of thing.  Unfortunately, others are starting online crusades in his name and those are the people that will turn against him if he ever decides to reconcile with us.

I think he should reconcile with us and not worry about the "others". The legal situation we are in can be remedied with all of us coming out winners. I know he's a good person and will have a good future here if we can just get over the past.

I read what you wrote on the FB.

It was very civil so *I doff my cap to you*.
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« Reply #219 on: February 11, 2012, 07:00:28 AM »

Ultra you are in the right here if they don't except you olive branch it is on them.
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« Reply #220 on: February 11, 2012, 07:10:08 AM »

I for one hope Nova heads  your call. The more masters on this forum the better. Let the past be the past and let us all work towards a greater future.
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« Reply #221 on: February 11, 2012, 07:23:29 AM »

I hope so, too.  I don't hold grudges and the disagreement between us is not insurmountable, far from it.  A new agreement could be pounded out over lunch and we're more than willing to do it.  Nova, if you're reading this, let's bridge this gap and move forward.
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« Reply #222 on: February 11, 2012, 07:44:01 AM »

We have a pretty simple facebook address if you ever need to enter it manually:

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« Reply #223 on: February 11, 2012, 07:58:42 AM »

I too would like to see things work out for the best between Ultra and Novastar.

I emailed Nova about the soundfont CDs he sells, asking about converting them to work on my obsidian board.
He wrote me back a very nice reply, saying that he and Ultra were involved in a dispute, but that that was neither my (the customer's), or the obsidian soundboard's fault. And he also told me how to make his sound fonts work on the obsidian, with a little work on my part.
So he wasn't mad at me for being an Ultra customer. I wish everyone could be that civil. Smear campaigns full of personal insults do nothing positive for this hobby.
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« Reply #224 on: February 11, 2012, 08:10:45 AM »

I too would like to see things work out for the best between Ultra and Novastar.

I emailed Nova about the soundfont CDs he sells, asking about converting them to work on my obsidian board.
He wrote me back a very nice reply, saying that he and Ultra were involved in a dispute, but that that was neither my (the customer's), or the obsidian soundboard's fault. And he also told me how to make his sound fonts work on the obsidian, with a little work on my part.
So he wasn't mad at me for being an Ultra customer. I wish everyone could be that civil. Smear campaigns full of personal insults do nothing positive for this hobby.

See and I made the arsehole mistake of think that Nova and Caine were like a team because i own their combat DVD and included him in my first argument; which I deleted because it was childish of me to do.

So never anything against Nova because I haven't seen him post anything nasty or talk down to me; which was why I was disappointed in Caine to see that negative stuff.

Because it's a great product, M.J. and I love it but it's Not good for sales if people see one of the Makers posting videos and such like that.

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