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Author Topic: A note concerning some of the rumors flying around...  (Read 286477 times)
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« Reply #300 on: February 17, 2012, 09:53:41 PM »

so far ive seen two people from other forums come in to this thread in particular and try and "speak their side".

has anyone from here done the same at other forums?  dont count PM's please, thats not publicly posted, its a discussion in private.

so you see where im getting at? we've got people creating accounts just to come into THIS particular thread to speak out against. . . what?

i'll be honest, im scared of FX forums, i mean seriously, im one of those "new people" to the saber market and i wont go anywhere else because i see this trash and im discouraged.  I mean Jango comes in here with this "polite insulting" and im like, wow, if he's a mod at fx forums, i dont want to go there.

its almost like, other sabersmiths are jealous of ultrasabers success and they just dont like the fact that ultrasabers is making such low cost quality products.  I cant support anyone that WANTS you to pay 4 - 500 dollars or more for a saber.  Ultrasabers gives me the impression that they are TRYING to keep costs down for the everyday joe.  That's what i need, someone that is going to look out for me and my wallet.  You do that and i will gladly fill your wallet.

let me tell you how i found out about ultrasabers.  it wasnt a google search, it wasnt some BS forums, it wasnt even by someone i knew that purchased an ultrasaber.  it was from YOUTUBE COMMENT.
i dont even remember what video but there was a random comment that said, "PSSSHHH GET AN ULTRASABER"  i searched for ultrasaber on youtube and saw the durability video of the pvc initiates getting slammed.  i went to the website and saw how GOOD the prices were.  bought 2 standard issues, LOVE THEM, they work great.  and now they have my loyalty as a customer.  That's how its done. 

Ive looked at other sabersmiths, and they are just asking a lot.  they are, dont lie, if ultra can offer sabers at this cost, then there's no reason other sabersmiths cant either, they JUST DONT WANT TO, thats what it comes down to.  so i will not support some leech sabersmith that wants a 500% mark up or w/e not when i work an hourly job and kick shell all day long for a hard earned paycheck. 

i get it though, its like in an MMORPG, you get all this cotton, and ur selling it for 5 gold a stack, then some guy comes along and sells the same stack of cotton for 1 gold. LOL it's glorious isnt it?  yes it is.  so guess what, you can either keep selling the cotton at 5 gold and well, not sell; or you can drop your prices to compete.

period.  i mean, nuff said, Ultrasabers = Low cost Quality products.  they are getting better too so if i were another sabersmith, i'd either, get used to it, or make a better product for cheaper.

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« Reply #301 on: February 17, 2012, 10:04:29 PM »

Can I just say, as an impartial spectre this is like watching a verbal train wreck for the past couple pages.  I did find a page on RL that dealt with what this page started out about and by page two they had it listed very well in a boiled down surmise of the many pages here, even included opinions about US. I visit FX to read their pages, I have visited many places. Although here is the only saber place I have an account with and post.

One thing to keep in mind I think, and do,  is that if you get one piece of spam you can leave the torch and pitch fork alone and simply ignore it. A word for or against another company is merely opinion, whether informed or uninformed opinion and possibly helpful, or spam drivel. Either way, in this instance looking the other way, going about your business, and letting a bygon be a bygon isn't going to hurt anyone. Also consequently might give the forum moderators and owners a bit of an easier time and keep them in a generally better mood.

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« Reply #302 on: February 17, 2012, 10:12:39 PM »

so far ive seen two people from other forums come in to this thread in particular and try and "speak their side".

has anyone from here done the same at other forums?  dont count PM's please, thats not publicly posted, its a discussion in private.

so you see where im getting at? we've got people creating accounts just to come into THIS particular thread to speak out against. . . what?

i'll be honest, im scared of FX forums, i mean seriously, im one of those "new people" to the saber market and i wont go anywhere else because i see this trash and im discouraged.  I mean Jango comes in here with this "polite insulting" and im like, wow, if he's a mod at fx forums, i dont want to go there.

its almost like, other sabersmiths are jealous of ultrasabers success and they just dont like the fact that ultrasabers is making such low cost quality products.  I cant support anyone that WANTS you to pay 4 - 500 dollars or more for a saber.  Ultrasabers gives me the impression that they are TRYING to keep costs down for the everyday joe.  That's what i need, someone that is going to look out for me and my wallet.  You do that and i will gladly fill your wallet.

let me tell you how i found out about ultrasabers.  it wasnt a google search, it wasnt some BS forums, it wasnt even by someone i knew that purchased an ultrasaber.  it was from YOUTUBE COMMENT.
i dont even remember what video but there was a random comment that said, "PSSSHHH GET AN ULTRASABER"  i searched for ultrasaber on youtube and saw the durability video of the pvc initiates getting slammed.  i went to the website and saw how GOOD the prices were.  bought 2 standard issues, LOVE THEM, they work great.  and now they have my loyalty as a customer.  That's how its done. 

Ive looked at other sabersmiths, and they are just asking a lot.  they are, dont lie, if ultra can offer sabers at this cost, then there's no reason other sabersmiths cant either, they JUST DONT WANT TO, thats what it comes down to.  so i will not support some leech sabersmith that wants a 500% mark up or w/e not when i work an hourly job and kick shell all day long for a hard earned paycheck. 

i get it though, its like in an MMORPG, you get all this cotton, and ur selling it for 5 gold a stack, then some guy comes along and sells the same stack of cotton for 1 gold. LOL it's glorious isnt it?  yes it is.  so guess what, you can either keep selling the cotton at 5 gold and well, not sell; or you can drop your prices to compete.

period.  i mean, nuff said, Ultrasabers = Low cost Quality products.  they are getting better too so if i were another sabersmith, i'd either, get used to it, or make a better product for cheaper.




There are a lot of assumptions in your post, and I don't think other builders are all purposely hiking prices.  There are a lot of detailed, high quality, custom builds with lots of hand-cut parts (shrouds) that go into them.  It's unfair to accuse them of purposeful price gouging, IMO.  Different prices are right for different people, that is that Smiley.

I also wanted to add that I think that other sabers from other people look awesome... just not for me at the moment.  I love to look of a crystal chamber, of a shroud, of a custom build.  They look wonderful!!  One day I would love to be involved in it... but right now there are too many toes to be stepped on, I think.  That is why I lurk, and learn as much as I can from reading other threads Smiley
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« Reply #303 on: February 17, 2012, 10:17:09 PM »

I think the difference between US and a lot of the other sabersmiths is this- a lot of the other smiths specialize in custom, one-off sabers, where the only upper limit is the skill of the sabersmith, and the pocketbook of the client. I won't call Ultra's sabers mass produced, but they are made in larger batches, with a series of  standardized models. And where production is concerned, some things have to be taken into account- super-detailed designs might not be practical, due to the inordinate amount of time it takes to make them, for example. So there's the task of coming up with a model that's practical to make as a "production" piece, but visually interesting enough to encourage sales. So comparing US to some of the other smiths out there who specialize in one-offs is sort of like comparing apples to oranges.

On the RL forums just recently, somebody mentioned the Guardian, and somebody else mentioned that it wasn't totally screen accurate. I responded "That's to keep Uncle George and his lawyers happy"- you can't openly sell exact copies, there's gotta be a few points of difference.
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« Reply #304 on: April 05, 2012, 10:12:28 PM »

As a very new member of the forums, and having just recieved in the last week, I would like to put in a quick note about my support for Ultrasabers, the people on the forums, the masters, and for ultra himself.

I have never been to the fx forums at all, and oddly enough I cant remember how I even found ultrasabers.

I have been looking at picking up a saber for a while now, originally looking at the 120$ ish hasbro force fx ones, mainly to start collecting. (I knew they couldnt be used for dueling without ruining them) I used to collect swords, but now have a 2 year old so the wife made me get rid of my collection. (nero would be jealous, i had the official replicas of twinkle and icingdeath)

Before I ordered my saber, I checked out some reviews on ultrasabers and the saber in particular (Guardian in guardian blue) on youtube. Saw a couple negative ones, and decided that I saw far more positive remarks than negative. I took a chance and ordered it.

I have had my saber since friday of last week, and am absolutely thrilled with it. With the fast shipping, with the way it was packaged and protected. The balance, the durability, everything.

I love having a saber i can duel with. I used to take and practice various martial arts when i was in high school, and for the first few years i was out of high school. I love being able to have fun with what i learned, but in an incredibly awesome/dorky manner.

The reception I recieved on the forums, the positive nature of the members, and the enthusiasm they have for this hobby of ours is brilliant. If there is so much negativity on other forums, i want no part of it. Ive dealt with enough online garbage and trolls (thanks to far too long playing WoW) to bother spending my time joining a flame war.


I got an affordable, beautiful saber, that I can actually swing around and duel with. Looking around online I found one other site that has sabers that can be used for light dueling, and Im sorry 475$ is not feasable for me to spend, its just not worth it.


So many people at work are impressed with the price, and the look, and the balance, that I probably have about 10 more being ordered in the next week or two from other guys here. In fact, an old friend of mine I used to spar with ordered one after seeing mine, it got here today and we are heading out to a local park tonight to work on some velocities, and a few of the guys from work are coming out to try them as well before they order.



Ultra, keep up the good work, you make a great product, good luck with the litigation.

Nero Attoru, thanks for the warm welcome and entertaining banter on the threads.

To everyone else, hope to talk to you guys more and compare notes, ideas, and just shoot the breeze.



I wont be buying a saber from anywhere else.
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« Reply #305 on: April 05, 2012, 11:34:49 PM »

i support ultrasabers indefinately.

i got my first saber today, affordable, durable and then some, and by heck, if it doesnt half look like a laser sword type thing that you would see hanging off a force-using, ass-kicking type person off of a set of films that is rather popular, i dont know what does.

point being, no matter what i have read, seen or heard about US negativly, from personal experiance, i would be downright afraid of using another company to get one, only (and i repeat, ONLY) for fear of the saber i get is not one tenth as good as the one i have.

the service is astounding, the pricing is unbelievable and the product is damn well awe-inspiring.

thank you Ultrasabers, you freakin' rock!
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« Reply #306 on: April 06, 2012, 05:34:32 PM »

Well, this is interesting. I've read about the first 10 pages, and when I get more time will read the rest, but had to comment.

I've been looking into purchasing a sabre recently. After seeing the insane prices some people charge (1k GBP +) I couldn't help but just shake my head and wonder why on earth people can justify over 1k, for something with £200 (retail value) worth of electronics/fixings and a £20 piece of turned metal on a lathe??

Sure these things take time to make, but I've made custom hilts as props for costumes and movies for a while, give me a few tubes, some fixings and a chunk of metal and I will cut / grind something out and polish it in one evening that looks half decent. So where do people get off charging the crazy over inflated prices? I decided after making a few enquiries and getting ridiculous prices back over 1k gbp, that I would just fit the electrics in one of my own custom hilts. I enquired about a CF, but alas it seems that they are not readily available, and from what I can see, the majority of these get reserved for the so call 'premium' affiliates. Indeed when I sent an email to Erv asking if there were any versions available and where to possibly source one, I recieved a very un-friendly one liner saying there wern't any. Good service.....Not only this I was told by several members of other communities that I would be lucky to get one for under several 'hundred' USD. Well, you're exactly right, I would be lucky indeed, because I have no intention of parting with any money for one now.

I looked into other options, such as the PC, but again not easy to get over here. I found US with the obsidian, although not quite as feature rich as some others, it seems to be a vast improvement on the MR series boards, and it will enable me to load my custom fonts I have made, but wait, for the cost of a similar board and even part of the electrics I would want I could get an entire US hilt with sound already installed!

So, how did I end up here? Well, I stumbled accross US and sadly, it was the negative publicity from other saber communities that got me reading about them. The first places I found were PL, and FX. I was interested in placing an order for a staff with US after seeing attractive pricing and reviews, but was a little put off with all the negativity I found. Indeed if it wasn't for me being able to read between the lines, use a little common sense and see that a lot of the videos and posts seem to be just blatant unproffesional witch hunts against US, I don't think I would have looked further. Thankfully it seems the over the top camaign to slander US just made the claims seem all that little more strange.

It is sad though that it has come to this, I mean, I saw the launch video of the Obsidian with Ultra and Nova and it seemed like they were embarking on a good partnership / venture together?

Anyway, I'm waiting to find out about purchasing from US over there in the UK, and I'll post back if / when I get my sabers on the forum Smiley


Cheers,


P.S, a little off topic, but I'm also an audio editor and I am planning on loading my custom fonts that use some of the SFX sound packs I have created for movies into the Obsidian, if they come out ok I'll let you guys know.
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« Reply #307 on: April 06, 2012, 07:20:33 PM »

Saber addict living in the UK here.  Shipping is expensive, so it's best to combine as much as you can into one order - but aside from that my stuff gets here pretty quickly (15 days or so from clicking order) and arrives safe and sound.
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« Reply #308 on: April 07, 2012, 05:11:30 PM »

To be honest I havnt actually ordered a saber yet (but i will very soon).

When I first decided I wanted to buy a saber I looked at the FX line. I saw they had nice metal hilts and the blade was removeable on some of them. I then moved on to looking at some other more custom sabers (cant remember exactly why but it was probably a comment on some review of the force FX sabers). I went through several websites before finally landing here on US.

Firstly the prices here are VERY good. They are high enough to get a quality product but low enough you can invisage getting another saber or getting sound fitted etc...

Secondly I think that if anyone wants to go to another forum or come to this one from another forum it is fine. As long as you don't go advocating a different product. People come to these forums to talk and debate sabers. Not to cause fights or be rude.

I have read positive points and negative points about EVERY saber producing company out there. There are ALWAYS people who have grudges and will post over and over and complain about a particular company. As far as I've seen US has a very large, dedicated fan base and people are friendly, warm and helpful. I have not seen this on other forums hence my decision to stick with US.

If you have a problem with US you can either be civilised about it or go else where. Its that simple.
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« Reply #309 on: April 12, 2012, 12:23:16 AM »

I haven't bothered to read more than the first and last page but i want to comment nonetheless.

Firstly i have built a few custom sabers for friends and family, and even just using PVC the cost ends up about the same as an US. The only saving i have is on postage, but i lose on time. So this points to two things - US are doing a fantastic job at providing reasonable cost sabers of a great quality. My hat off to you guys. I love my US`s

Seondly to those who complain about excessive prices on custom work, stop because you don't understand. Setup costs are high when you look at getting a good soldering station, a metal lathe and a mill. Thousands of dollars. Plus you haveto cover labour - time is a big cost factor. And when you have a more elaborate saber you would be surprised at how quickly $10 parts add to hundreds on the cost.

Finally, i have had issues with one of my sabers and Deep has been very good in resolving the problems. So thumbs up for customer service.
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« Reply #310 on: April 24, 2012, 12:08:30 AM »

I have four sabers and I have bashed the living hell out of them. I have no idea what the bad reviews are talking about. It's a pretty simple mechanism.

These are excellent products. I have tested them to their omits and the hilts still look like new. they are priced well enough you can try one out and see for yourself.
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« Reply #311 on: April 24, 2012, 12:13:19 AM »

I have four sabers and I have bashed the living hell out of them. I have no idea what the bad reviews are talking about. It's a pretty simple mechanism.

These are excellent products. I have tested them to their omits and the hilts still look like new. they are priced well enough you can try one out and see for yourself.

EXACTLY! A lot of the people complaining aren't even customers, they just go by what they've heard from anonymous people on teh interwebz.
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« Reply #312 on: April 26, 2012, 04:31:58 PM »

Just a sort of side note, but that might have been either someone seeing something in there you didn't mean, or possibly (depending on if this was far enough back) the differing habits and whatnot of previous mods compared to the current ones. Just my 2 cents on that issue.

On a similar note, I have had one hilt that had some issues crop up shortly after purchase myself, but Emory was ready and willing to get it repaired for me under warranty right away. Heck, the tech who fixed it literally rebuilt the whole saber! I think the physical hilt and MAYBE the switch are the only 'original' parts left. lol So even when that rare quality control slip up might somehow occur, anyone who wishes to make the effort can check the forum. Send the guys an email, be polite and they will too, and the unmatched customer service of US will get you fixed right up. Smiley
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« Reply #313 on: April 26, 2012, 06:05:09 PM »

I ordered a saber back in February for my brother and there was a problem with it, BUT I sent Emory a nice email about it saying that I understand that stuff can happen but I know they always make it right, he told me to send back the hilt and they'd take care of it. They did and there hasn't been a problem since. One thing that I have found throughout life is that politeness goes a LONG way.
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« Reply #314 on: April 26, 2012, 06:19:36 PM »

On the comments about posts being deleted concerning quality, I cannot stress how many times I have read posts directly from Ultra asking people to please give them a chance to correct any problems prior to posting on the forum. 

Ultra owns the company and he has been really cool to create this forum so that his customers can discuss his products.  Giving his team a chance to fix a problem would be really cool so that a complete side of the story can be reported would be a nice way of saying "Thank You."

If you think one sided responses cannot hurt someone, google Richard Jewell.  He was the police officer that a news agency reported was responsible for a bomb during the Olympics and was later found that he was saving lives, not taking them.  The news agency was nice enough to give an apology during their 3am newscast but many conspiracy theorists believe the man eventually convicted of the crime was framed due to the original  report that aired during primetime.  Not a nice thought huh?

If anyone believes that censorship is present here, then visit some detractor web sites, post a comment questioning their rationale and see how quick you are banned.  Not comment deleted, out right banned. 
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