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« Reply #150 on: November 02, 2020, 09:37:51 PM »

I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. As soon as Tatooine and Mandalorian were mentioned in the same sentence my hair stood on end, because it meant Boba was coming back. Not a huge surprise for me personally because in the EU he made it out of the Sarlacc as well and so always figured one day they would incorporate him back in. This was really one of those times where I almost hated being as much of a Star Wars junkie because I figured they might include a Krayt Dragon and literally 10 minutes after thinking it, boom, there it was on screen. I've wanted to see a live one since we saw the skeleton in A New Hope. It's... different from how I imagined, Logos nailed my feelings on that.

It's a pretty good start to the series and as my excitement only grows I just hope they don't screw things up, especially with one of my favorite Jedi poised to make her live action debut.  Wink

MOAR YAY for the modified Radon-Ulzer 620C into Cobb's speeder. However, if they even hint at that being specifically one of Anankin's engines, Ima completely burn Disney to the #$%&ing ground.

I kinda hate to say it but it totally looks like part of Anakin's pod. Only had the chance to see it once but the coloring seems to be a dead match. It's about 41 years after Anakin turned Sebulba's ride into spare parts. Quite a long time, but I'd imagine on a planet like Tatooine they'd still be using it.
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« Reply #151 on: November 02, 2020, 09:56:03 PM »

Okay, time to get Logos all riled up again about them not doing research.

What were the Tuskan's launchers made from? Because it sure looked like wood to me, and there is no wood on Tatooine (unless imported, in which case, the Tuskan's wouldn't have it, because the settlers wouldn't allow them too), and they looked like a design that the Tuskan's had had for many many years.

As for the thing about the Tuskan culture, I agree. One of the best things about The Mandalorian so far is how much it has delved into the cultures of the various species. Ugnaughts, Jawas, Tuskans, Mandos, etc. As someone who has a deep love for that kind of thing, this is a huge positive for the show.
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« Reply #152 on: November 02, 2020, 11:37:30 PM »

Ooh, guys I just found this out about Krayt Dragons!

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Krayt_dragon

There are two species. Greater Krayt dragons (like we saw in Mando), and Canyon Krayt Dragons (the more lizard looking).
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« Reply #153 on: November 03, 2020, 02:30:12 AM »

I'm torn on how they depicted the Krayt. I was excited as hell to finally see one live action. However, I was a bit let down that they turned it into a sand worm. All source material indicated that it was a giant lizard, or literally a dragon, like the Komodo. But at the same time, when we see the skeleton in ANH, no legs are shown. I can cut them some slack on that, but honestly I was a bit underwhelmed that they ripped off Tremors. And seriously? The pearl? A widely accepted alternative crystal for a lightsaber.......is the size of a basketball. Way to do your research you overpaid tools.

Ooh, guys I just found this out about Krayt Dragons!

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Krayt_dragon

There are two species. Greater Krayt dragons (like we saw in Mando), and Canyon Krayt Dragons (the more lizard looking).


Correct.  The only difference between This "Canon" Greater Krayt Dragon and its Old EU Counterpart was the Acid Spit and having no visible legs.  The swimming through sand and developing much larger pearls are the same. So, Sorry Logos...their research was good on this.


Now as to the Bantha thing...that I wonder about as well.  Both current and old canon talk about the bond between Bantha and Tusken.  Perhaps the Bantha's used were NOT the Tuskens.  Everyone on Tattoine domesticated the Bantha (as seen with the first Bantha ate was at the settlement).  Maybe it was the villiagers Bantha's they were using.  But then you would have to figure would the Tusken's allow that?  or not care since it wasn't theirs.  



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« Reply #154 on: November 03, 2020, 06:58:12 AM »


Correct.  The only difference between This "Canon" Greater Krayt Dragon and its Old EU Counterpart was the Acid Spit and having no visible legs.  The swimming through sand and developing much larger pearls are the same. So, Sorry Logos...their research was good on this.

Even in Canon there seems to be two varieties of Krayt Dragon though. If you look specifically at the canon page, it talks about there being two varieties, we just know more about the Greater Krayt species ATM.

As much as I love the Witwer cameo, I really wish they would do more than just give cameos to these actors. I would love to see them get a solid character to play with. Sam is a great actor (as we've seen over and over again), an he could use a solid, reoccurring role. Same with Matt Lanter. He was in the one episode, but they killed him instantly. I'd love to see the voice actors with live action experience have a semi-significant role.
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« Reply #155 on: November 03, 2020, 08:10:46 AM »


Meh. I wouldn't say they were great. They had some good moments, but also had some real stinkers. And IMO, Filoni is far more miss than hit.


We already have a chat on that point and I fully understand your point of view Wink

Jon Favreau is a fan ... and like every SW fans, he certainly has his favorite moments in the EU (old and new) and he enjoys to create new stories based on that. And I love that (even if he makes some mistake and you are right about that)

Just imagine if he made Ep. 7 to 9 ...
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« Reply #156 on: November 03, 2020, 07:32:53 PM »

To my understanding, this can also depend on whether its stomach acid or if the liquid in question comes from a separate dedicated organ. Hard to argue anatomy with so little info though.
Perhaps, but considering that it was not just coming from the mouth, but the throat, it is a safe bet that it was regurgitated stomach acid.

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I'd also argue the Marshall's speeder could outpace Djin's rustbucket if he needed it to but he was leading Mando to the nest so no reason to. I'd also like to raise the Tusken language and culture as a high point of the episode, Banthas aside, we see firsthand how willing they are to communicate as long as you know how, which has been a theme occasionally in Legends that was nice to see. Also apparently the sign language component of their language was invented with the assistance of a deaf individual fluent in ASL to make it as realistic as possible which is neat.
Maybe, but I find it difficult to believe that it would have the ability to throttle down to that slow. C'est la vie. That was the least of my gripes.

I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. As soon as Tatooine and Mandalorian were mentioned in the same sentence my hair stood on end, because it meant Boba was coming back. Not a huge surprise for me personally because in the EU he made it out of the Sarlacc as well and so always figured one day they would incorporate him back in. This was really one of those times where I almost hated being as much of a Star Wars junkie because I figured they might include a Krayt Dragon and literally 10 minutes after thinking it, boom, there it was on screen. I've wanted to see a live one since we saw the skeleton in A New Hope. It's... different from how I imagined, Logos nailed my feelings on that.
Exactly. It was a great character aspect that he was extremely difficult to kill. But I remember hearing early in the speculations of TFA that the Disney regime fervently denounced his survival, and that the character was officially dead.

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I kinda hate to say it but it totally looks like part of Anakin's pod. Only had the chance to see it once but the coloring seems to be a dead match. It's about 41 years after Anakin turned Sebulba's ride into spare parts. Quite a long time, but I'd imagine on a planet like Tatooine they'd still be using it.
Well, I am podracing tifosi. Radon-Ulzer is a manufacturer, and the 620C is merely one model of engine design.

Collor Pondrat was another manufacturer. Sebulba used their Behemoth model with a split-X configuration. A concept drawing had them as twin Vs.


Mars Guo also used Collor Pondrat engines, but his were the Gargantuan series.


Ben Quadinaros used Balta Trabat BT310 Quadra-pod.


Anyway, the marshal's speeder is definitely the same model of engine that Anakin used. Of that I have no doubt or problem. But every time a simple nostalgic nod turns into a full-on direct affiliation, I get irate. It's like they think we won't be able to recognize that the story is still SW unless we're reminded every 5 minutes by having something we've already seen this exact thing in a previous installment, or that is has a direct association with a well known character or event. It's frelling insulting and I'm sick of it.

Okay, time to get Logos all riled up again about them not doing research.

What were the Tuskan's launchers made from? Because it sure looked like wood to me, and there is no wood on Tatooine (unless imported, in which case, the Tuskan's wouldn't have it, because the settlers wouldn't allow them too), and they looked like a design that the Tuskan's had had for many many years.
I assume you're talking about the "slug-thrower" rifles that they use? One of 2 theories:

1) the "wood" isn't wood. The shoulder stocks might be made of bone that has been stained.
2) as was pointed out in this episode, Tuskens ARE raiders. There is a good chance that wood would be stolen from those that either brought it with them from off world, or imported it.

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As for the thing about the Tuskan culture, I agree. One of the best things about The Mandalorian so far is how much it has delved into the cultures of the various species. Ugnaughts, Jawas, Tuskans, Mandos, etc. As someone who has a deep love for that kind of thing, this is a huge positive for the show.
This is known as anthropology. I am enjoying it as well. Provided they don't get ridiculous. But....no. They totally screwed the pooch on Ugnaughts.

Ooh, guys I just found this out about Krayt Dragons!

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Krayt_dragon

There are two species. Greater Krayt dragons (like we saw in Mando), and Canyon Krayt Dragons (the more lizard looking).
Excellent find. Points


Correct.  The only difference between This "Canon" Greater Krayt Dragon and its Old EU Counterpart was the Acid Spit and having no visible legs.  The swimming through sand and developing much larger pearls are the same. So, Sorry Logos...their research was good on this.
Oh, I love it when someone pays better attention to the details than me. Huzzah! Like when I was initially disappointed in Solo, that they were building SDs on Corellia. I remember think "Those dummies. SDs are from Kuat Drive Yards. But then I remembered Han's line about "the big Corellian ships", and was like "WHOA!"

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Now as to the Bantha thing...that I wonder about as well.  Both current and old canon talk about the bond between Bantha and Tusken.  Perhaps the Bantha's used were NOT the Tuskens.  Everyone on Tattoine domesticated the Bantha (as seen with the first Bantha ate was at the settlement).  Maybe it was the villiagers Bantha's they were using.  But then you would have to figure would the Tusken's allow that?  or not care since it wasn't theirs.  
Maybe.

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Woo? But such a waste.

We already have a chat on that point and I fully understand your point of view Wink

Jon Favreau is a fan ... and like every SW fans, he certainly has his favorite moments in the EU (old and new) and he enjoys to create new stories based on that. And I love that (even if he makes some mistake and you are right about that)

Just imagine if he made Ep. 7 to 9 ...
No doubts. Had HE done 7, 8, & 9 I probably would have been excited for the subsequent releases as well as greater things to come. I may not always agree with directions he takes, but I'm far less disappointed.
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« Reply #157 on: November 03, 2020, 08:05:49 PM »

I assume you're talking about the "slug-thrower" rifles that they use? One of 2 theories:

1) the "wood" isn't wood. The shoulder stocks might be made of bone that has been stained.
2) as was pointed out in this episode, Tuskens ARE raiders. There is a good chance that wood would be stolen from those that either brought it with them from off world, or imported it.

Nope, I'm talking about the crossbow ballista thingies. The rifles never bothered me.
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« Reply #158 on: November 03, 2020, 09:23:17 PM »

Nope, I'm talking about the crossbow ballista thingies. The rifles never bothered me.
Oh yeah. Those stupid things. No idea.
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« Reply #159 on: November 04, 2020, 12:40:11 PM »

Oh yeah. Those stupid things. No idea.

Stupid as in design?  Cause those were the pride of the Roman Army.  Or stupid in that Tuskan's have them?  Because like you said....They are raiders.  Those could have been taken from a settlement or the materials.  Pretty much I assume that anything the Tuskan's have that isn't a Bantha was taken from a settlement.
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« Reply #160 on: November 04, 2020, 01:48:46 PM »

Stupid as in design?  Cause those were the pride of the Roman Army.  Or stupid in that Tuskan's have them?  Because like you said....They are raiders.  Those could have been taken from a settlement or the materials.  Pretty much I assume that anything the Tuskan's have that isn't a Bantha was taken from a settlement.
They seemed a bit janky. Plus,.....sure, the Tuskens just HAPPENED to have ballistae for such an occasion.
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« Reply #161 on: November 04, 2020, 02:17:36 PM »

They seemed a bit janky. Plus,.....sure, the Tuskens just HAPPENED to have ballistae for such an occasion.

Not really far fetched to imo.  They obviously have had to defend or hunt Krayt's before so it would stand to reason they would have weapons capable of using against them.  This maybe the first time they went against a Greater Dragon before though.  In real life they could be disassembled for transportation so I see no reason to think it different in SW.
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« Reply #162 on: November 04, 2020, 02:27:23 PM »

Not really far fetched to imo.  They obviously have had to defend or hunt Krayt's before so it would stand to reason they would have weapons capable of using against them.  This maybe the first time they went against a Greater Dragon before though.  In real life they could be disassembled for transportation so I see no reason to think it different in SW.

This. Like Djin himself said, Tuskens survived for thousands of years in the Dune Sea...this wasn't their first rodeo with a Krayt. My guess is the tribe was either too small to deal with a Greater Krayt or had only dealt with lesser Krayts prior.
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« Reply #163 on: November 04, 2020, 02:51:13 PM »

Not really far fetched to imo.  They obviously have had to defend or hunt Krayt's before so it would stand to reason they would have weapons capable of using against them.  This maybe the first time they went against a Greater Dragon before though.  In real life they could be disassembled for transportation so I see no reason to think it different in SW.
True. I will give the contingency of defending against canyon krayts. But I would have thought canyon krayts, being smaller, would be too fast for a ballista to be of use. But I could be wrong. Different Terran lizards have varying speed capabilities regardless of size.

Better question: Is Krayt a proper name? I see many of you capitalizing it.
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« Reply #164 on: November 04, 2020, 03:33:04 PM »

True. I will give the contingency of defending against canyon krayts. But I would have thought canyon krayts, being smaller, would be too fast for a ballista to be of use. But I could be wrong. Different Terran lizards have varying speed capabilities regardless of size.

Better question: Is Krayt a proper name? I see many of you capitalizing it.
I've always seen in presented as such.

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