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« Reply #270 on: November 24, 2020, 02:06:29 PM »

Ugh timing issues of typing and other posting haha.

Yeah I was kinda aware that the ship wasn’t Mandalorian manufacture. I actually didn’t think any ships were but when I did a search on the Star Viper, the only ship I remembered having a name and not designation it came up as a ship made by MandoMotors. Then when I did a quick “Mandalorian ship” search the Slave-I as on the list.
But yeah if they didn’t make then the naming conventions still hold up
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« Reply #271 on: November 24, 2020, 03:04:26 PM »

Like I said above the Fire Spray-31 is the only Mandalorian ship I am aware of that has a named version. All the other ones have straight up class names with out any numbers or a “name” though I no longer own my X-Wing Miniature cards to double check with them since they are technically cannon I think.
As I just said, Slave I is NOT Mandalorian.

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But he’s they Mando himself calling the Razor Crest implies that it’s the name of the ship where anyone else calling it the Razor Crest it just using its ship type to talk about it. I’ve gotten so used to it being called that at this point that I really didn’t give it much thought how it’s being referenced.
That's like naming your son 'boy'.

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Back to the “Back door” idea. I can totally buy that as this is not the first base we have seen built into a cliff and it almost looked like Cara was gonna drive back into the base to look for another way out.
However when they first open the hanger door you see the speeders parked facing out the door like that was their preferred method of travel direction.
Halls seemed awfully narrow to get that transport through. However, you did spark a thought: perhaps when the base was installed, there used to be more canyon wall that allowed such vehicles to safely access both the cliff surface as well as the canyon floor. They did mention a lava tide, which makes me think that over the years the rock was stripped away.
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« Reply #272 on: November 24, 2020, 03:34:15 PM »

As I just said, Slave I is NOT Mandalorian.
That's like naming your son 'boy'.
Halls seemed awfully narrow to get that transport through. However, you did spark a thought: perhaps when the base was installed, there used to be more canyon wall that allowed such vehicles to safely access both the cliff surface as well as the canyon floor. They did mention a lava tide, which makes me think that over the years the rock was stripped away.
Yeah the whole Slave-1 thing was a timing issue with me trying to respond while you were I’m on the same page with you now on that one. Honestly I’m curious of the current status of that ship. Maybe it will be covered in this show
Yeah that part about the Razor Crest thing had a bunch of spelling errors and I’m not even sure what my point was anymore with that comment.
It is quite possible that part of the canyon was changed by lava but the elevator door at the base of the canyon suggests otherwise. But still plausible.
Also possible that the hallway behind the hangar door was a straight shot with a ramp or elevator heading up. No way to know as anything we come up with is speculative at this point and really doesn’t matter since the base went kaboom.
I’m curious why the empire likes to build into cliff sides.
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« Reply #273 on: November 24, 2020, 04:56:24 PM »

Yeah the whole Slave-1 thing was a timing issue with me trying to respond while you were I’m on the same page with you now on that one. Honestly I’m curious of the current status of that ship. Maybe it will be covered in this show.
Won't deny it, I won't be upset if Mando ends up inheriting Slave I. I friggin' love that ship.

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Yeah that part about the Razor Crest thing had a bunch of spelling errors and I’m not even sure what my point was anymore with that comment.
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It is quite possible that part of the canyon was changed by lava but the elevator door at the base of the canyon suggests otherwise. But still plausible.
Also possible that the hallway behind the hangar door was a straight shot with a ramp or elevator heading up. No way to know as anything we come up with is speculative at this point and really doesn’t matter since the base went kaboom.
I’m curious why the empire likes to build into cliff sides.
That's easy: 83% of the base if protected by rock. Plus it's not easily seen from every angle.
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« Reply #274 on: November 24, 2020, 09:14:50 PM »

On the issue of why the ship is called the Razor Crest as well as being a Razor Crest, honestly, Mando seems to me to be the type of person who doesn't name stuff. He hasn't even given The Child a name yet. He often calls it "the Crest", so maybe his name for it is Razor Crest. My family has a Honda Pilot that they didn't give a name to, they just call it "the Pilot". That seems to me to be exactly what Din has done here.
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« Reply #275 on: November 24, 2020, 11:45:25 PM »

On the issue of why the ship is called the Razor Crest as well as being a Razor Crest, honestly, Mando seems to me to be the type of person who doesn't name stuff. He hasn't even given The Child a name yet. He often calls it "the Crest", so maybe his name for it is Razor Crest. My family has a Honda Pilot that they didn't give a name to, they just call it "the Pilot". That seems to me to be exactly what Din has done here.
That seems logical enough to me. Plenty of people shorten the names of their cars when referring to them without giving them actual names (like Crown Vic for Crown Victoria, or Z for 350Z, etc). I've even known people to do this with their boats that did have actual names. I can totally see this being something Din has done. It also makes sense for other people to refer to it by the make/model if they don't know the actual name for it, just like someone, be it an officer or a friend, would say "that's a nice Mustang," or even with a boat, "that's a nice Hatteras" if they didn't know the name of the boat.
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« Reply #276 on: November 25, 2020, 01:18:51 PM »

Wishful thinking:

End of Season 2, Moff Gideon is thwarted in his plans but gets away from our heroes and returns to his ship.  Upon entering his aide tries to speak to him with urgency but he blows her off and enters his office.  In the darkness you can make out the shape of someone sitting in his chair.

Moff:  "Whoever you are I would advise removing yourself from my chair."

Figure: *Cool even voice slightly accented * " No Officer Gideon, I believe this is exactly where I belong."

In the darkness two glowing red eyes slowly appear.  *Cue Thrawn Theme*  *Cut to black*
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« Reply #277 on: November 25, 2020, 02:13:11 PM »

Wishful thinking:

End of Season 2, Moff Gideon is thwarted in his plans but gets away from our heroes and returns to his ship.  Upon entering his aide tries to speak to him with urgency but he blows her off and enters his office.  In the darkness you can make out the shape of someone sitting in his chair.

Moff:  "Whoever you are I would advise removing yourself from my chair."

Figure: *Cool even voice slightly accented * " No Officer Gideon, I believe this is exactly where I belong."

In the darkness two glowing red eyes slowly appear.  *Cue Thrawn Theme*  *Cut to black*
This is the way. I really like this idea.
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« Reply #278 on: November 25, 2020, 03:19:58 PM »

On the issue of why the ship is called the Razor Crest as well as being a Razor Crest, honestly, Mando seems to me to be the type of person who doesn't name stuff. He hasn't even given The Child a name yet. He often calls it "the Crest", so maybe his name for it is Razor Crest. My family has a Honda Pilot that they didn't give a name to, they just call it "the Pilot". That seems to me to be exactly what Din has done here.
I assume this is because your family owns more than one car, so specifying which car is important. But if you only had one, you would simply refer to it as just "the car." In a similar fashion, the whole of the earth refers to the moon, the sun, and the solar system. This is because OUR planet has only 1 moon, and OUR solar system has only 1 sun. They don't require naming since nobody we're going to talk to...in any language...is going to be confused by those designations.

Now on the flip side of this, Arthur Conan Doyle had Sherlock refer to Irene Adler as "the woman." This is significant however as she is the only woman that he ever referred to in this manner. Kind of a she-who-must-not-be-named vibe.

Anyway, on my usual list of complaints, this ranks exceptionally low. I'd just like to have it be either a designation or a name, not both.

Wishful thinking:

End of Season 2, Moff Gideon is thwarted in his plans but gets away from our heroes and returns to his ship.  Upon entering his aide tries to speak to him with urgency but he blows her off and enters his office.  In the darkness you can make out the shape of someone sitting in his chair.

Moff:  "Whoever you are, I would advise removing yourself from my chair."

Figure: *Cool even voice slightly accented * " No Officer Gideon, I believe this is exactly where I belong."

In the darkness two glowing red eyes slowly appear.  *Cue Thrawn Theme*  *Cut to black*
I love you. I could totally get behind Thrawn being reseated in his proper place in the timeline. Although I don't think Chiss eyes glow, they're just red. Also, I believe that a Moff outranks a Grand Admiral. Undecided


How tf did I miss this?

I kinda had the same thought.  Death Watch was itself a fringe group...but then had another smaller fringe group break from that.
Would like a more official explanation though.

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I don't think the Quarrens were all too concerned about anyone seeing them.  It seemed pretty obvious this port wasn't the safest or well policed.  They took Din and BY out there to have them at a disadvantage IMO.
Plus, it's not well elaborated upon, but I don't think they actually ever left that port. The need for travel was just a ruse to get Mando out to sea.

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1.) I was thinking the same thing
Good I'm not the only one getting peeved by the lack of naming convention.

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2.) Few thoughts.  I'm pretty sure that was the backdoor and they didn't usually go out that way.  They said the Lava Tide would eventually come in so that leads back to this is the back door.  I'll have to go back to look closer.
{further thoughts explained previously}

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3.) Eh.....
Not "eh". It shows blatant disregard for physical space. Hell, even Bay's team took physical space into consideration when designing the robots for the first Transformers movie.

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4.) They Seem to be Dark Troopers is what many are thinking.  Force Sensitive troopers.
Lemme guess: something from Fallen Order? Force sensitive troops is unlikely. Plus, after looking at this and other images of "Dark Troopers", these look purely machine, which is what the Purge Troopers were; highly sophisticated battle droids.



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5.) I think you answered your own question on that one.  I'm betting he's a Sith Worshiper like Dryden Vos.
UGH! I hate the idea of civilized beings being cultists.

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6.) Ever since she retired from MMA her weight seems to fluctuate here and there.  Not uncommon in athletes who no longer compete.
No arguments, just wondering if anyone else noticed.

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She'll always be hot though.
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8.) Had the same thought...
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« Reply #279 on: November 25, 2020, 03:52:43 PM »



I love you. I could totally get behind Thrawn being reseated in his proper place in the timeline. Although I don't think Chiss eyes glow, they're just red. Also, I believe that a Moff outranks a Grand Admiral. Undecided



I think it said more than a few times Thrawn's Eyes would glow especially in low light.  Now I don't think it's supposed to be a bright glow but still noticeable.  As for rank....basically it comes down to location.  Moff is a political title so while on a planet ruled by said Moff or during a political mission...he's in charge.  Grand Admiral is of course a Military title.  So on a Military Ship or during a Military Operation the Grand Admiral has control.  In this case Moff Gideon is acting in a Militaristic manner so by definition he's on a warship.  The moment Grand Admiral Thrawn steps foot on that ship it belongs to him.  Now of course Gideon could freely go against Thrawn since there is no Emperor to complain to. 





Lemme guess: something from Fallen Order? Force sensitive troops is unlikely. Plus, after looking at this and other images of "Dark Troopers", these look purely machine, which is what the Purge Troopers were; highly sophisticated battle droids.



Dark Troopers first appeared in the 1995 game Dark Forces.  But I will agree they also are similar to Purge troopers.  I'm betting its going to be a mix of things.


UGH! I hate the idea of civilized beings being cultists.


I wouldn't call them cultists.  I didn't mean worshiper literally.  Moff Gideon may have seen Vader's power and wished it for himself.  So he decided to adopt some of Vader's image.  He even kills his men who piss him off like Vader.
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« Reply #280 on: November 25, 2020, 06:02:33 PM »

I think it said more than a few times Thrawn's Eyes would glow especially in low light.  Now I don't think it's supposed to be a bright glow but still noticeable.  As for rank....basically it comes down to location.  Moff is a political title so while on a planet ruled by said Moff or during a political mission...he's in charge.  Grand Admiral is of course a Military title.  So on a Military Ship or during a Military Operation the Grand Admiral has control.  In this case Moff Gideon is acting in a Militaristic manner so by definition he's on a warship.  The moment Grand Admiral Thrawn steps foot on that ship it belongs to him.  Now of course Gideon could freely go against Thrawn since there is no Emperor to complain to. 
I looked it up. A Moff has complete control of a sector, both politically and militarily, as far as operations in that sector are concerned. But as far as galaxy wide naval operations go, Thrawn would have the superior rank since his authority within the Imperial navy extends beyond the sector.

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I wouldn't call them cultists.  I didn't mean worshiper literally.  Moff Gideon may have seen Vader's power and wished it for himself.  So he decided to adopt some of Vader's image.  He even kills his men who piss him off like Vader.
Meh. I interpret identifying oneself through the following of another to be weakness of character. It would completely undermine the authority and confidence that Gideon needs to maintain control. <gags> I can't believe I'm referencing TFA, but it's like what Rey told Kyle: "You're afraid you'll never be as strong as Darth Vader." I actually thought that was an astute observation. By trying to measure up to someone else, he limited his own growth and ability.
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« Reply #281 on: November 25, 2020, 08:14:32 PM »


Meh. I interpret identifying oneself through the following of another to be weakness of character. It would completely undermine the authority and confidence that Gideon needs to maintain control. <gags> I can't believe I'm referencing TFA, but it's like what Rey told Kyle: "You're afraid you'll never be as strong as Darth Vader." I actually thought that was an astute observation. By trying to measure up to someone else, he limited his own growth and ability.

I disagree.  Every Great man emulated a greater man at one point.  I see nothing wrong with seeing someone who is obviously better than you in some way and adopting or emulating aspects to enhance yourself.  The problem is modern thinking too often emphasizes "looking inward"  which is useful but it limits you just as much as completely copying someone else.  In the case of Gideon, if my theory holds, I did not mean he just copies Vader...but aspects of Vader he found useful.  The armor and cape are for intimidation of course.   
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« Reply #282 on: November 25, 2020, 09:18:46 PM »

I disagree.  Every Great man emulated a greater man at one point.  I see nothing wrong with seeing someone who is obviously better than you in some way and adopting or emulating aspects to enhance yourself.  The problem is modern thinking too often emphasizes "looking inward"  which is useful but it limits you just as much as completely copying someone else.  In the case of Gideon, if my theory holds, I did not mean he just copies Vader...but aspects of Vader he found useful.  The armor and cape are for intimidation of course.   
I can see that. If his current crop of underlings are actually from the Empire and not just fresh recruits, then there's good likelihood that the black cape and armor will be reminiscent of Vader, and, on a subconscious level, demand the same level of fear and authority. I don't mind taking inspiration from someone, especially someone you acquiesce to as superior. But the term 'worship' is a bit strong.
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« Reply #283 on: November 26, 2020, 12:16:51 AM »

Wishful thinking:

End of Season 2, Moff Gideon is thwarted in his plans but gets away from our heroes and returns to his ship.  Upon entering his aide tries to speak to him with urgency but he blows her off and enters his office.  In the darkness you can make out the shape of someone sitting in his chair.

Moff:  "Whoever you are I would advise removing yourself from my chair."

Figure: *Cool even voice slightly accented * " No Officer Gideon, I believe this is exactly where I belong."

In the darkness two glowing red eyes slowly appear.  *Cue Thrawn Theme*  *Cut to black*

For those of you who don't mind potential leaks and spoilers, watch these videos (I haven't watched them both, so I don't know for sure what is in the second one, but I've watched the first, and ooooh boy!) This is stuff for after Ep. 5 that was leaked to this guy. So again,

*SPOILERS*

https://youtu.be/NuSz-4nY0fw
https://youtu.be/SC5cwZJhAlM

Links only included incase people think the thumbnails contain spoilers.
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« Reply #284 on: November 26, 2020, 09:25:13 PM »

For those of you who don't mind potential leaks and spoilers, watch these videos (I haven't watched them both, so I don't know for sure what is in the second one, but I've watched the first, and ooooh boy!) This is stuff for after Ep. 5 that was leaked to this guy. So again,

*SPOILERS*

https://youtu.be/NuSz-4nY0fw
https://youtu.be/SC5cwZJhAlM

Links only included incase people think the thumbnails contain spoilers.


IF these turn out to be true it will both excite me and make me sad...much like the Mando has done already.   Because this epic show leads into a crap future.
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