The Mandalorian *SPOILERS* Discussion Thread

[Taegin Roan]

So since last night I've been following the path of the Darksaber. And technically, Luke should be the rightful ruler of Mandalore. Pre Visla was bested by Maul, Maul was bested by Obi-Wan (which means, to my utter delight, that Obi-Wan was once the rightful ruler of Mandalore), Obi-Wan was bested by Vader, Vader was bested by Luke. So far, Luke hasn't been bested. Although, you could also make the argument that Ahsoka bested Vader first, though he was not using the Darksaber at that time. Nor was he when he fought Obi-Wan. But whatever the case, Ezra stole it, gave it to Sabine, who somehow lost it to Gar Saxon, then bested him and took it back, only to give it to Bo-Katan. So whatever the case, Bo has never earned it.

Also, how amazing did Din look when he was standing there if full armor without the helmet on?!

[Galef]

So since last night I've been following the path of the Darksaber. And technically, Luke should be the rightful ruler of Mandalore. Pre Visla was bested by Maul, Maul was bested by Obi-Wan (which means, to my utter delight, that Obi-Wan was once the rightful ruler of Mandalore), Obi-Wan was bested by Vader, Vader was bested by Luke. So far, Luke hasn't been bested. Although, you could also make the argument that Ahsoka bested Vader first, though he was not using the Darksaber at that time. Nor was he when he fought Obi-Wan. But whatever the case, Ezra stole it, gave it to Sabine, who somehow lost it to Gar Saxon, then bested him and took it back, only to give it to Bo-Katan. So whatever the case, Bo has never earned it.

Also, how amazing did Din look when he was standing there if full armor without the helmet on?!

I don't think the Darksaber follows the same rules as the Elder Wand.
It would make more sense if the Darksaber is won in combat against the current owner WHILE WIELDING the Darksaber.

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[SirLiftaLot]

So since last night I've been following the path of the Darksaber. And technically, Luke should be the rightful ruler of Mandalore. Pre Visla was bested by Maul, Maul was bested by Obi-Wan (which means, to my utter delight, that Obi-Wan was once the rightful ruler of Mandalore), Obi-Wan was bested by Vader, Vader was bested by Luke. So far, Luke hasn't been bested. Although, you could also make the argument that Ahsoka bested Vader first, though he was not using the Darksaber at that time. Nor was he when he fought Obi-Wan. But whatever the case, Ezra stole it, gave it to Sabine, who somehow lost it to Gar Saxon, then bested him and took it back, only to give it to Bo-Katan. So whatever the case, Bo has never earned it.

Also, how amazing did Din look when he was standing there if full armor without the helmet on?!

I mean, if we KNEW that Gideon was dead, then I don't see anyone who knows the "true" story of the saber's change of hands would go out of their way to make it known that Bo didn't earn it back the "right" way. Assuming Bo comes to her senses and realizes that if she was gifted the saber once, she can be gifted it again, then the only potential "problem" I can see arising is if Gideon escapes and makes it known to the Mandalorians that she didn't truly earn the saber, which would call her leadership into doubt, while it seems like they really did not care how she obtained it the last time it was in her possession, likely because no one was objecting or making it known how she obtained it, only that she had obtained it.

I don't think the Darksaber follows the same rules as the Elder Wand.
It would make more sense if the Darksaber is won in combat against the current owner WHILE WIELDING the Darksaber.

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Or if you get your hands on the saber by any means, and then kill anyone who can make it known that you didn't obtain it the "proper" way. Bo didn't "earn" it the first time, but no one cared, since no one objected or made it known that she didn't obtain it the proper way. Like you said, I don't think there's any actual "magic" behind the saber not obeying someone who didn't obtain it properly, it's just that the claim to rule it gives isn't valid if it's not won via combat, but if no one knows it wasn't, then it can be viewed as if it was, if I'm making any sense now.

[mrg149]

HOLY MOTHER LOVING HECK ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!

I loved it! When the solo (no pun) x-wing showed up I almost lost the little bit of my mind…and then  the rest happened!!! Luke Skywalker in his ass kicking prime! loved how they revealed him bit by bit. green blade, flash of gloved hand, his hilt! the cgi was a bit wonky (fallen order: the rebuilding years)

Sooo many questions…

The book of Boba?!? whaaaaaasssa?!? life is good

& a merry frakking lifeday to us alll

[Taegin Roan]

I don't think the Darksaber follows the same rules as the Elder Wand.
It would make more sense if the Darksaber is won in combat against the current owner WHILE WIELDING the Darksaber.

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Honestly, I'm not even sure if that is how the Elder Wand works. There are some inconsistencies about that trail that make me wonder.
As for the Darksaber, I know it doesn't have to follow the same rules, but if you believe what Gideon said about having to win it in one-on-one combat, then technically the last confirmed True Leader of  Mandalore is Maul, and even then, we don't know for sure that Pre Visla won it. However, in Rebels, it makes it seem more like Mjolnir and "whosoever wields this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor" (without the worthy part). Meaning, if you are in possession of the Darksaber, you are the rightful ruler.

[JediMasterJay]

HOLY MOTHER LOVING HECK ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!

No kidding. I may even venture to say the best episode of season two yet.

Also, how amazing did Din look when he was standing there if full armor without the helmet on?!

He looked freaking amazing. I wonder if they will continue with him ruling Mandalore in order to start a new storyline without Grogu, or if something will come up and he will reunite with Grogu and Luke again.

I can't say I'm not disappointed that it was not Ezra, even though I love that it was Luke, but now I am sure that the Grand Admiral Thrawn name drop was totally for the Ahsoka show.

Last but not least, I can't wait for The Book of Boba Fett!!! I never really liked Boba that much before this show, but now I'm a huge fan and can't wait to see more!

[Darth Tepes]

I love the difference in belief between Ahsoka, former Jedi of the Old Order and Luke the first of the new. 

Ahsoka:  Its too dangerous to train him.

Luke: It's dangerous NOT to train him.

[SirLiftaLot]

I love the difference in belief between Ahsoka, former Jedi of the Old Order and Luke the first of the new. 

Ahsoka:  Its too dangerous to train him.

Luke: It's dangerous NOT to train him.

Now that you mention Luke and Grogu, do we have to accept that when Luke said, about Rey, that he had "seen this raw strength only once before," with the only possible reference at the time being to Kylo/Ben, that Grogu doesn't have the same "raw strength" as Rey or Kylo? I mean, I get that Rey was insanely OP by the time we got to the end of Episode 9, so she of course had insane potential, but did Kylo really ever end up doing anything that incredible? Or was he just a case of someone who never truly lived up to his potential? Or do we just sort of ignore things from the Sequel Trilogy like that?

[Darth Tepes]

Now that you mention Luke and Grogu, do we have to accept that when Luke said, about Rey, that he had "seen this raw strength only once before," with the only possible reference at the time being to Kylo/Ben, that Grogu doesn't have the same "raw strength" as Rey or Kylo? I mean, I get that Rey was insanely OP by the time we got to the end of Episode 9, so she of course had insane potential, but did Kylo really ever end up doing anything that incredible? Or was he just a case of someone who never truly lived up to his potential? Or do we just sort of ignore things from the Sequel Trilogy like that?

I wish I could ignore the sequel trilogy but as I have a compulsion in my research brain to keep up with the lore whether I like it or not I have to consider it.....  I have no doubt he was talking about Ben.  Because Grogu wasn't a think in anyone's mind yet.  It also wouldn't make sense story wise, not that stopped the ST.

[Darth Tepes]

Giedion's reaction to Bo's "A Jedi?" is interesting.  Its not disbelief or confusion...its fear.   Thinking about it the Galaxy as a whole knows there is only One Jedi out there and its Luke Skywalker.  They also believe that he killed the Emperor and Vader...two beings feared everywhere, in combat.  SO for this Moff to hear the one being in the universe he did not want to draw the attention of yet is on his ship wiping out his prize troopers..no wonder he was shi**ing bricks.

[DarthRondoudou]

I love the difference in belief between Ahsoka, former Jedi of the Old Order and Luke the first of the new. 

Ahsoka:  Its too dangerous to train him.

Luke: It's dangerous NOT to train him.

The thing is, they are both right. The training need to be... very focused. And this may well be the occasion to change some ways of the jedis.

[DarthRondoudou]

Now that you mention Luke and Grogu, do we have to accept that when Luke said, about Rey, that he had "seen this raw strength only once before," with the only possible reference at the time being to Kylo/Ben, that Grogu doesn't have the same "raw strength" as Rey or Kylo? I mean, I get that Rey was insanely OP by the time we got to the end of Episode 9, so she of course had insane potential, but did Kylo really ever end up doing anything that incredible? Or was he just a case of someone who never truly lived up to his potential? Or do we just sort of ignore things from the Sequel Trilogy like that?

Rey? Kylo? Don't know what you're talking about.

[DarthRondoudou]

Ok That last episode had everyth... Well, almost everything to please me.
Bo Katan. Mandos. Epic fight againt the dark saber. And effin Luke Skywalker plowing through droids supposed to be the best of the empire...
I'd have loved to see some Ahsoka for good mesures. But yeah. Loved it.

[mrg149]

full disclosure: I totally fast forwarded and watched the luke scenes on out again…just to confirm I enjoyed it as much as I did...yup...totally did! The "deep fake" could have been a little better, but still satisfying.

[PsychoSith]

Okay finally caught up and I have a few notes!

**Refinery Episode**

-Boba YES
-I loved the interplay between Mayfeild and his former Officer
-Din deciding that Grogu was more important than his creed: my heart
-Seismic charge YES
-so liked how we saw the difference in quality of armor when Din was wearing the trooper armor that couldn’t take hits nearly as well, forced him to rely on his martial skills and not just being a land tank
- I really appreciate that the imps actually did send their own reinforcements to back up the transport, that doesn’t happen a lot with action sequences, at least not in Star Wars.

**Season Finale**
-That Dark Trooper theme tho
-THOSE DARK TROOPERS THO
-I really liked the interplay between Gideon and Din
-I am in LOVE with the fight scene between Din and the Dark Trooper
-interesting drama set up with Din and Bo with the dark saber. Even if it is Bo’s fault for not telling Din a damn thing about it.
-Luke’s reveal and fight was amazing
-Here’s what’s likely an unpopular opinion: I thought Luke’s writing for dialogue was really weak here. He seemed cold and stiff, kind of uncaring. Luke at this stage in his life should still be a compassionate person, he still has his hope and will to rebuild so I thought it was pretty weak characterization here.

Been loving this series on the whole just excellent.