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Author Topic: REVISED Custom Prophecy LE - Yellow / Recharge / EconoSound / Greeble  (Read 16942 times)
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« on: April 13, 2011, 11:31:01 PM »

I recently received my (very) custom Prophecy LE from Ultra Sabers. I want to stress at the very beginning of this review that I am a critical person, and I don't believe in sugar coating anything. You should know this upfront and from the start! I was trained as a critic; my Bachelor's Degree is IN critique. Critique is not, as it is commonly held, a bad thing. Being critical doesn't imply you're unfriendly, mean, or characteristically negative. It for the most part means you’re observant.

Now with that kind of preamble you may be expecting a negative review, but that's not the case. I love this thing. I've hardly put it down since it arrived. It's wrenchingly beautiful. I've waited my WHOLE life for this thing and it's already my friend. I sing to it. I pet it. I look longingly at it from across the room. My wife won't let me bring it to bed, so that's out... until she leaves town. But, since I'm in a position of such contentment and happiness, I also think I can offer some critique from a position of strength, and in the process shed some light on the very common question on these forums:

Where the hell's my yellow saber?!

We’re going to address this first off and get it out of the way.

BLADE COLOR

Let me back up 30 years. I got my first light saber somewhere around the time I was seven or so. I got it for Christmas. It came in a surprisingly small box and was basically a cheap piece of crap flash light. It had an inflatable blade. It was also, yellow. Now, remember, this was at least 25 years before Knight of the Old Republic. Right? Upon opening this thing for the first time, my thoughts were the seven year old equivalent of, “What the frell is this shell?” Not only was the “blade” inflatable, not only was there a huge seam running down the middle of it, NOT ONLY WAS IT YELLOW, a color that light sabers simply weren't, but it deflated so quickly after screwing the ring down onto the flashlight that it was all droopy before you could even swing it. What a disaster.

And for some reason, I’ve wanted a yellow light saber ever since. Enter Ultra Sabers. Hell, even they didn’t appear to want me to have one. But, after talking it out with Alex we came up with the following order:

LE Prophecy
Quick Disconnects (Silver, Yellow, Purple)
Econo-Sound
In Hilt Recharge
MHS Pommel #4
MHS Insert #6
Some fancy light up thingy
32” Standard Edge Heavy Duty

Now, due to some shipping mistakes, all I’ve got at the moment is the yellow. But since that’s what most of you are here to see, that’s OK. I’ll update the rest later upon receipt.

Though the above order states Standard Edge (which I typically like better) I’m going to show you pictures of the yellow LED on a 24” Ultra Edge. Why? Because this is the absolute brightest I can make this color. For comparison I’m including my son’s green on a standard edge. Both of these sabers have in hilt recharge systems, both are on overnight full charge batteries, in the same room, with the same camera, in the same light at the same time of day, in isolation.

With Flash:



No Flash:



Please note that the green UNDER A FLASH is about as bright as the yellow without a flash. And remember, these things look much brighter in pictures than in real life, AND, trust me, that 24” ultra edge is as good as the yellow can do.

I don’t think I need to delve too deep into this for you to see my point. The yellow is comparatively dim. We’re talking dimmer than my old MR Vader. When attached to the 36” blade it was erroneously shipped with, it barely has the guts to light the end of the tube, and all but disappears 2/3 of the way to the tip before coming back in a bit at the reflector in any kind of moderately lighted room. When compared to our free saber in red (review) or my son’s green it’s actually a little embarrassing. And I don’t mean embarrassing to Ultra Sabers, to the color’s own psyche. It just can’t pull it off. You can see from the above, it diminishes greatly even over the scant 24” of the Initiate blade.

So, folks, I think this is why Ultra Sabers is not offering the yellow. Me? Like I said, I’m fair, and honest. I was after a yellow saber, and they made it for me. It’s dim, but it’s what I asked for. My guess is that if they offered this standard, and people expected anything like what they’d get with the more standard colors, they’d be in for a lot of unfair anger directed their way. There’s a reason yellow’s not offered folks, and it’s not because they haven’t seen a rainbow or eaten a banana. I’m sure if and/or when they can offer you a yellow that is more in line with the quality of the rest of the colors, they will. Until then, sit tight. I probably should have.

That said, the HUE of the yellow is really nice, IN A STANDARD EDGE. I find the hue appears very peachy in the ultra edge, especially as it peters out near the end of the tube. I don't have a longer Ultra Edge, but I imagine if it turns peachy keen over 24", it would be exacerbated longer out. That aspect of the color does not show up well in these images nor the video to follow. I think it bears mentioning though, that since the hue is what Alex had more control over than the brightness (I assume, don't really understand the tech) it is well done.

I was left unsatisfied with the above write up, and for posterity, I rated the "color" a 5/10. I'm going to revise this, because, I think the hue of the effect and its brightness deserve separate consideration. Hopefully this might clear up any perceived contradiction in my review.

HUE
Standard Edge: 9/10 (Really very nice. If I could magically adjust it I might add a touch more green.)
Ultra Edge: 6/10 (It's yellow at the bottom, but quickly becomes more peach like.)

BRIGHTNESS
Standard Edge: 4/10 (Almost disappears in a moderately lit room.)
Ultra Edge: 6/10 (Has a little more longevity down the blade.)

On to more positive stuff!

ECONO-SOUND!

Yes folks, econo sound in a Prophecy from Ultra Sabers! Step right up. In order to accommodate the sound board we needed to change the pommel to one that would allow room and ported inserts. I think it looks, utterly, f’ing, divine. I’ve seen a few Prophecy hilts with MHS #7 in them and I humbly submit that mine, with #4, looks a lot better. It really matches the clean over all lines of the hilt.

The sound is good! Ok? It’s really good. I have an old MR Vader and this one blows it out of the water, hits it on the head and tosses it back in. No contest. It’s deep, resonant and rich. I see no compromise here from the more expensive boards.

And the flicker. If I could get rid of the flicker upon light up and power down, I would. However, I actually really like it on the clash state. So for me, it’s a wash. You might want to wait for the next breed of Hasrbo toy sabers to hit since they won’t have the flicker at all, but I’m perfectly happy as is. Remember, the yellow here appears way, way brighter than it is. I'm a video idiot so I'm not sure how loud it is, might have to turn it up.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9yQDouLKow" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9yQDouLKow</a>


The state detection is a little iffy, but from what I’ve seen of MR / Higher end Hasbro boards, absolutely no worse. Personally, I’d either go econo, or for one of the fancy Croutons / Focus things.

SOUND – 7/10

Now the hilt itself. I put this last, even though it’s arguably the most important, since everyone knows what these things look like.

WORKMANSHIP

Flawless. I’m tempted to stop there. But I get paid by the word, so… Oh my God. It’s just so wonderful. I would definitely recommend this hilt as a show piece, not equipment or weapon, like other hilts. It’s beautiful, did I say that yet? It’s smooth, shiny, perfect. I would not however recommend fighting with this thing. For my taste there’s just too much going on with the hilt.

I read on this forum a different Prophecy review where the owner had gotten an, inexplicable to him and fairly substantial, bloody gash while using this hilt. I’d be very surprised if he didn’t get his flesh stuck in between the blade and the angled emitter. Mine is sharp. The emitter is so well cut, and such a perfect angle, it’s basically a spear point. Ha.

I asked Alex to build in some little bell and whistle, either blinky lights on the hilt, or some cool recessed lighting up inside the pommel. He said he’d try to get an LED up inside the hilt. My guess is he ran out of room. However, as you can see from below, his workaround is a combo of what I asked for, and pretty damned cool as well. He put little LEDs in the holes of the insert. They’re not 100% constant on either, they kind of flutter a bit. I like that a lot.



You’ll also see the recharge port above. The system included works flawlessly, and is tucked safely out of the way. I’ll be hard pressed to order a single other saber without this feature. It straight up rocks.

QUALITY: 10/10

And that about does it. I can’t talk about the quick disconnects, the other colors, or if the yellow looks better in the shorter standard edge blade until I receive them. I hold out a lot of hope for most of those, but not the yellow. It’s cool to have, but it just doesn’t measure up to the high standard they’ve set. This is not a knock against Ultra Sabers, but they know that. I just want to be sure I don’t get any hate mail from you forum-ites for bad mouthing our guys here. My guess is it’s a technical restriction and an inescapable optical reality.

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EDIT / UPDATE: I'm going to take another set of pictures comparing the two colors above. I think the images combined with my description may be underselling the color more than I intend. I'm sticking to my rating because, while I'm mostly happy with the result, I think most people would be disappointed. I just got back from a walk with my kids though, and thinking about the images, I'm worried the white tube of the ultra edge is gathering too much light from the flash. The yellow is noticeably, significantly dimmer than the green or red, but that picture probably serves to over state that. I'll update soon-ish.

Ok, the control so to speak. These images show the same two sabers from above under mostly identical situations (it's later in the day but still light out) but with the blades swapped.

With flash:



No flash:



So, in the end, you can see the ultra edge did not actually wash out the color as much as I had feared. This also shows you what I was talking about with the hue. The color of the yellow is actually very nice, but as you can see from the top image here, is unfortunately all but transparent. For me personally, that's OK, my guess is for most folks, the disappointment would outweigh the cool.

For what it's worth.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2011, 06:02:26 PM by navajas » Logged

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2011, 11:56:39 PM »

very nice review the color contrast on the prophecy le hilt is slick and the custom led pommel is awesome nothing like having your own custom lightsaber  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2011, 12:07:13 AM »

Yeah the LE Prophecy is art, plain and simple. Alex did a great job on the whole build. I am exceedingly pleased with my purchase.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2011, 07:35:46 AM »

Looks really amazing. They should start with the Senitinel Yellow option. I have already seen 2 yellow blades by ultra. It probably wont be long till they will introduce this.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2011, 08:38:45 PM »

That pommel looks great on that saber. Btw is that Pommel style 8?
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2011, 09:42:38 PM »

Hey, you know what? I think it is #8. We had agreed on #4, which is basically the same thing but shorter, but perhaps that didn't leave him enough room. Don't know, he didn't mention it. Funny thing is, it doesn't look quite as long as the #8, but is certainly longer than the #4.

<shrug>

Regardless, I love how it turned out! Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2011, 05:06:22 AM »

Great review, and great custom saber! How much was the econo sound? I'd really like that option to become available since at the moment it's cheaper to convert an MR saber than it is to buy an ultrasaber with sound.
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2011, 06:31:56 AM »

I've had someone else ask about how much I spent on the saber, but, I'm not really willing to talk about price on custom work. However, Ultra did post publicly elsewhere (on the thread I started about alternate sound options) and he said $75. Remember though, mine took extra work/materials because the Prophecy is not set up for sound. I think I can also pass along that he did his due diligence and really tried to make econo-sound possible as a profitable option on the smaller hilts, but couldn't make it work. So, bear in mind that $75 is for the hilts that can already take sound.

And please, take nothing I say as quotes, and certainly nothing official. I do not want to speak for Ultra Sabers, just passing along what is already on these forums elsewhere.

I think half price was a pretty sweet deal. I still don't like the blink on power up/down, though it is mostly benign. I really like the flicker on clash. It has a few different plays for the clash state as well. It has three "wooshes" which can get repetitive I suppose. In a perfect world I'd ditch the start up/power down blink, maybe even the woosh. The hum is fantastic.
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2011, 10:00:46 PM »

It looks alot better with the #8 pommel then it would have with a #4 so it turned out great imo. Great looking and sounding saber congratz.
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2011, 12:48:56 AM »

Yeah I got not complaints with how it looks. It's everything I wanted in a hilt.
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2011, 08:46:09 PM »

That's a very nice saber! As for the yellow, it looks different than the sentinal yellow I ordered for my Shock LE. Mine is very bright, it easily holds up next to my other RGB sabers.
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2011, 09:02:07 PM »

I suppose it's possible that something is "wrong" with my hilt, but I don't think so. As for the color, I actually specified, "Amanita Yellow" for the LED.  Wink <shrug> There's too many difference in compression / cameras / lighting / settings to tell anything about hue from pictures though. Do you have a straight red or green with which to compare it? Perhaps the RGB colors are just weaker than I am used to and therefore skewing my perceptions. It is not a matter of judgment however to say, on a full charge, the color literally almost disappears towards the end of my 24" Heavy Ultra in moderate light. It is completely gone near the tip in a normally well lit room.

You run yours on an Ultra Edge right? Does your color dim substantially and appear "peach" in any kind of lighting? Is your ultra a heavy duty? I wonder if the ultra edge carries too much opacity for this pale color in the double thickness of a heavy duty tube? That could very well be. Maybe I need to invest in a mid grade.

I'm still waiting on my other LEDs. I'm not 100% on what color they will be as I had a priority list with Silver, Yellow and Purple, in order, at the top with the rest on down. I don't know if the recharge power pack precludes certain colors or not. I think the same rig is powering my son's laser bright green LE Initiate though. If one of them is purple, another RGB color, I think I'll be able to gauge what I'm seeing better.

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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2011, 12:37:03 AM »

Very nice saber I like it Congrats
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2011, 12:41:57 AM »

I think the poor results of the lighting are due to the nature of the Eco-Board setup in this particular saber.  Most people seem to be happy with the Yellow they get with their RGB sabers.  If you don't mind, I'd like to do a little more work to this saber to make it better.  It would just require you sending the hilt back to me for about a week.
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2011, 12:45:36 AM »

Ultra to the rescue, once again!
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