On approaching the "multiple opponents" concept... (by Nova)

[Kham-Ryn Kurios]

Wich is what i want to do but my frends suck they just dont fight with thare heads i try to help they say im worng and they losse agen its sad

I hear that, Fine do it wrong, I'm only gonna bean you in the head again.

[RoryLyndze]

I just want some one to push me so i let them gange up on me wich i have done since high school wich was befor Ultra i had MR i had darth mall darth vader and mace windu and i was 3 of us but 1 moved and the other wont dual any more. And back then we lern the hard way throw pain that is not for most people thow my poit you make my arm go numb i say good job you got me

[Novastar]

I hear that, Fine do it wrong, I'm only gonna bean you in the head again.

@Rory... and @Kham...

Get this straight--right now...

There will NOT be insulting behavior on these forums.  It won't be tolerated.  Period.

You will all find that Ultra, Emory and Caine... are *MUCH* more forgiving than am I.  Not kidding.

Post kindly.  Re-read the forum rules... or else--there will be consequences.  END OF STORY.  I do not want to hear any more of this bickering here... and it definitely better not go into private messages.  Respect everyone--or you'll be posting to NO one.

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Moving the subject/topic back into light... simply put:

* I'd like to see videos of people trying actual experiments with this!
* Granted... ONLY if you do them safely... SOLELY if you do them safely (protective gear)
* You could do 2 vs. 1... you could try 3 vs. 1... you could try 6 vs. 1, etc.

Also... I hate to say it, but... I strongly disagree with Lucien Kane regarding the "10 is easier than 2" thing.  The primary reason is... I do this sort of thing *ALL THE TIME* (not kidding)... with my fencing students.

It's nearly IMPOSSIBLE for me to handle 10 at once... whereas with 2... it's A LOT easier.  

I'm sorry, as... yes... people are entitled to their opinions... but--I cannot possibly agree with 10 being easier than 2 (or any other iteration of "more being easier than less")... unless there is some kind of... I don't know "bottleneck" point.  Which would be a COMPLETELY different argument... and in that case--it's "as good as" being assailed by a single person.

For clarity, a "bottleneck" area would refer to... for example (not limited to this, btw)... a hallway, which is... hmm, let's say ~4 feet wide.  There is no access for the multiple fighters to get "behind" the singular fighter...

So... in this case... I'd PERSONALLY consider that BASICALLY all about "one on one" combat.  Kind of depending, but... again--I'm trying to put it in perspective.  

In most lines of thinking regarding "10 on 1"... you're not generally(?) going to have the luxury (I think I discussed this in the original post, can't recall) of running all over the place until you locate a "perfect bottleneck".  

Although... uh... yeah.  It... happens in the movies QUITE A BIT, huh?    

[RoryLyndze]

Im sry Nova i went back and red that i should have worded it better any tips on how to get my frend mike not to focus soully on power? Cause he seid it its a sword it needs power

[Master Nero Attoru]

Good post Nova, I feel the same way.  When Lucien posted I realized he had a point in that the "10 vs 1" scenario made it difficult for the 10 people to close in on the 1 person without getting in each other's way, so I give him props there.  That said, 10 people are WAY too many for any one person to realistically keep an eye on, so unless they're a bunch of mindless idiots the single guy is still screwed.  Even if the 10 just form a perimeter while two or three close in to kill him, that would be enough.

At least with two people you can maneuver to keep them coming from the same direction so that you can watch them both.  With 10 people there are just way too many factors (and enemies) to possibly account for.  You lose the ability to maneuver them the same way you can do 2, and you just plain old can't process that much information at once.

I also would like to see videos!  I'm quite interested to see some of your strategies for these types of encounters, and how they play out in real time.  However, I will be QUITE jealous if you find 10 people to spar with!  I can never get any more than 2 or 3...

[Master Artorius Vidnyl]

Absolutely the truth.  In the case of 10 vs. 1 in the open, can you imagine having the stamina mentally and physically to keep up with 10 professional athletes?  That is what a good swordsman is after all.  You don't just work on your sword technique.  You train your body and mind to a high level.

Bring on the vids!

[ThreadJack]

Moving the subject/topic back into light... simply put:

* I'd like to see videos of people trying actual experiments with this!
* Granted... ONLY if you do them safely... SOLELY if you do them safely (protective gear)
* You could do 2 vs. 1... you could try 3 vs. 1... you could try 6 vs. 1, etc.

6 vs. 1? How many friends do you think I have! I'm still a nerd last I checked.

Anyway. I see what Lucien is saying, and he does have a point about 10 people getting in each others way, but that's still a lot of people. I don't think it would end very well for you, but I've never tried it, so I could be wrong.

[Jammo]

Alright, training I have. I call it The Gauntlet, and I've actually done this. You start off one on one and add opponents on a reducing time interval... 1 minute, 45 seconds, 30 seconds, 15 seconds until all 5 opponents have entered the fray. You will have to eliminate opponents in a timely fashion or fight outnumbered. I've made it to four twice and have the peculiar distinction of being the only person to ever fight down 3 to 1 and score hits. You can run it with a standard single, dual, or what I like to call "open" where you can fight with staff and oversize stuff.

[Kham-Ryn Kurios]

@Rory... and @Kham...

Get this straight--right now...

There will NOT be insulting behavior on these forums.  It won't be tolerated.  Period.

You will all find that Ultra, Emory and Caine... are *MUCH* more forgiving than am I.  Not kidding.

Post kindly.  Re-read the forum rules... or else--there will be consequences.  END OF STORY.  I do not want to hear any more of this bickering here... and it definitely better not go into private messages.  Respect everyone--or you'll be posting to NO one.

My comment was in reference to My own friends not taking my advice and defending how they see fit. Fina and dandy for them but then they get confused and angry when they get hit again.

I apologize for any misinterpretation I may have cause.

I'll be clearer in the future about my sarcasm.





I really wish I could find somebody other than my brother and my wife to spar with. Not that they're bad but at least with another person we could pair off. 2 on 2.

[Master Lucien Kane]

I agree that it's difficult, but it's not impossible, and I still believe it's easier to take on more than two opponents at a time, because they can't just focus on you, they have to try not to be in each others way as well, and that's no matter how big of an area you have. If you can funnel them you can be more effective, but really it boils down to timing, tactics, and as Nova said, being able to track multiple people at once. You have to be everywhere with your eyes, and if you can do that without making it obvious you can catch people off guard.

I've studied unconventional fighting tactics for over four years now, and it's all about how a smaller force can take on a larger force. If you apply tactics to your dueling/sparring, you can really take things to new levels. That takes study and time, read Book of Five Rings, as I know many of you already have, read books about Guerrilla fighting tactics. You have to be able to strike and move quickly. You don't stand there and decisively engage all ten opponents, you've got to move, take one down and move to the next. I never said it's easy, but it's definitely do-able... It's just not the norm. Once again, hopefully soon, I can post some vids of my multiple opponent duels... because I feel like I'm just being looked at as an internet professional. No one has said it, but I feel like you should take my advice with a grain of salt until I show you anyways, because that is what I would do. lol

[Kham-Ryn Kurios]

I agree that it's difficult, but it's not impossible, and I still believe it's easier to take on more than two opponents at a time, because they can't just focus on you, they have to try not to be in each others way as well, and that's no matter how big of an area you have. If you can funnel them you can be more effective, but really it boils down to timing, tactics, and as Nova said, being able to track multiple people at once. You have to be everywhere with your eyes, and if you can do that without making it obvious you can catch people off guard.

I've studied unconventional fighting tactics for over four years now, and it's all about how a smaller force can take on a larger force. If you apply tactics to your dueling/sparring, you can really take things to new levels. That takes study and time, read Book of Five Rings, as I know many of you already have, read books about Guerrilla fighting tactics. You have to be able to strike and move quickly. You don't stand there and decisively engage all ten opponents, you've got to move, take one down and move to the next. I never said it's easy, but it's definitely do-able... It's just not the norm. Once again, hopefully soon, I can post some vids of my multiple opponent duels... because I feel like I'm just being looked at as an internet professional. No one has said it, but I feel like you should take my advice with a grain of salt until I show you anyways, because that is what I would do. lol

I apply this constant motion to dual wielding and it really helps to keep opponents on their toes.

I've never really tried to fight more than two.

[Master Lucien Kane]

I used to do it as a kid hand to hand in martial arts. Now I've only done three against me with people that are about my skill level, and that was a while back, but I do at least two every once in a while. Then I spar with all my Jr. Highers at the church... I had 6 of them attacking me at once Tuesday, it was still insane, but they were getting in each others way, when they're not actually being dropped it's difficult to keep defending the same people... plus I'm only going about 40% with them... you know, so I don't actually hurt them. Still though the first few rounds I actually held them back and got hits on each of them consecutively. Then after they kept coming back I got tagged a couple of times, that being said they are Jr. Highers, and I'm 23 so there's a skill factor to consider there... If I can find ten people about my skill level, one I'd probably just be stoked to have that many duelists, and two I'd always have a camera man LOL!

So I don't mean to act like a professional or anything because I'm not, I'm just merely stating my experiences and fun that I have with dueling. I will say that I am proficient at taking on two people at once.

[Kham-Ryn Kurios]

I used to do it as a kid hand to hand in martial arts. Now I've only done three against me with people that are about my skill level, and that was a while back, but I do at least two every once in a while. Then I spar with all my Jr. Highers at the church... I had 6 of them attacking me at once Tuesday, it was still insane, but they were getting in each others way, when they're not actually being dropped it's difficult to keep defending the same people... plus I'm only going about 40% with them... you know, so I don't actually hurt them. Still though the first few rounds I actually held them back and got hits on each of them consecutively. Then after they kept coming back I got tagged a couple of times, that being said they are Jr. Highers, and I'm 23 so there's a skill factor to consider there... If I can find ten people about my skill level, one I'd probably just be stoked to have that many duelists, and two I'd always have a camera man LOL!

So I don't mean to act like a professional or anything because I'm not, I'm just merely stating my experiences and fun that I have with dueling. I will say that I am proficient at taking on two people at once.

So long as you aren't being pompous it's cool.

But if you do be sarcastic or your just screwing around. Don't forget to make note of it in the post.
It can cause problems. (I did it earlier in this thread.)

[Master Lucien Kane]

I just don't want to give the air of being arrogant because I'm on the internet... I try to accurately depict my skills, because in all honesty, I'd like to meet a lot of you guys someday, and I want my skills accurately conveyed so you all know what to expect. At least Caine and Novastar are pretty realistic, they live in the same state as I do lol! Now there would be a fun match!!!

[Kham-Ryn Kurios]

I just don't want to give the air of being arrogant because I'm on the internet... I try to accurately depict my skills, because in all honesty, I'd like to meet a lot of you guys someday, and I want my skills accurately conveyed so you all know what to expect. At least Caine and Novastar are pretty realistic, they live in the same state as I do lol! Now there would be a fun match!!!

I feel the same way, I live in CA but no one down here duels except my friends and I.

Meeting the Masters someday would totally rad. I mean there is a reason we call you guys Master, you have real world skills that I would love to learn from.

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Now how do you feel about Dual wielding against at least two opponents?