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Aeon StarGazer
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« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2013, 04:35:57 AM »

Hello, its been awhile since I've been on. Anyways this post has 3 pages so far of comments so I apologize beforehand if I echo a lot. Anyways onto reverse gripping. I am as a few know a very huge hema advocate and longsword instructor. Reverse gripping can have its place in time with the right mental set up. Per se a kurtzhau that is performed but fails has a opportune moment of rging, winding out and short edge striking. Its portrayed in Meyer , codex wallerstein, and talhoffer a bit and is always under constant observation and trials. That being said striking with intent leaves boo boos so to protect better from them a good sturdy fencing mask and full finger gloves work. We have a few different masks in my fechtschule, AF fencing, blue gauntlet, dwarven smithy. For $50 you can get an amazing fencing mask from blue gauntlet, otherwise if you wanna spend 100$ or so AF hema has amazing hema fencing masks that are made for that extra kick. Gloves I use a hockey glove for my forward hand and a lighter glove for my pommeling hand to stay maneuverable. Sheesh sorry long post but cool topic.
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« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2013, 04:57:38 AM »

Hi Stargazer from Australia Grin

I was just about to log off and I caught your post Shocked

Great to read someone familiar with what I'm talking about. There is enough examples of RG in most guards; also from experience you know there is almost always one or two who throw it at you in the middle of sparring.

Here's my RG questions for you Grin

1/ What do you think of the theory so far? How can you help refine it, explanations of guards and so forth?
2/ Can you add your RG Techniques using your definitions or the traditional ones?
3/ I'm sure you will recognize most of it, the ideas are transitional between FG and RG. I have a philosophy that RG is the yin to the FGrips yang. Have you used similar footwork and tactics?

Thanks for your thoughts and comments.

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« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2013, 12:13:31 AM »

Here is the Comparison form:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCHv2X-RpC4
Thank you for this wonderful form to compare too. Also the young guy is why I think lightsabers are the future.

1/ What are the differences between your form and this form? Anyone?
2/ What have you learnt having compared?


That one has significantly more flash to it.  Much more "looks cool" stuff.  Also, obviously, it switches from and to FG.  Third, it's got more direction change.  That said, it doesn't appear to have any defense involved at all. 

Definitely a good comparison.

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Dude.  My legs don't bend that way.  lol.  Not gonna happen.  I think my knee would explode if I tried those.  However, I definitely see the need for balance, and improving it.  I'll probably use the Capoeira video to work on balance more than ballet. 

As always, thank you for your thoughts.  I like that you include video to demonstrate your ideas, though I sometimes have to read it twice to understand.
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« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2013, 12:41:04 AM »

I am assuming you have all seen our Form Five videos with the rev grip being utilized:
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The rev grip starts at about 2:00

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Both I and VorNach use it here. VorNach with Jar Kai.
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« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2013, 01:06:33 AM »

Hi there from Australia Grin

Thank you for this; I actually considered this video for the comparison test but I was worried Oramac and others might have already seen it so I went with one of my Favorites online. I wanted something unknown to better explain the theory. I like to test myself to guide myself forward Grin

This is a good video; thank you Master Nonymous Grin (I liked how you demonstrated throwing in your Shii cho: the beginning video! For some reason you hardly ever see it! My RG techniques has a Move "The Rusty Hinge" that uses it! I think you will like it Grin)

Yes exactly right Oramac; in chess they are constantly reviewing other people's games. This trick helped me years ago to expand my experience well beyond practical experience. Watching competitions in many fields opens ones eyes greatly Grin

It is easy to dismiss the more internal aspects but I assure you that is the path to rapid advancement. Take for instance the Balance exercises (Ballet); I was shocked when I tried them how incompetent and knee inflexible I was Cry - (Started the greeting the sun Yoga stretch soon after!)

At the time I had an over inflated sense of skill - After this frustrating the hell out of me I realized there was much I neglected because I just liked when I started whacking people Tongue (I guess that's how allot of us start)

Take something like Flow; impossible to really define and yet you know it when you hear it, see it, and do it. This intuitiveness is essential to my Jedi studies; I want to feel my weight shift, sense what they are doing from contact and so on. When I saw and heard the video I posted for flow I felt inspired, inspiration is part of flow, a knowledge of yourself is flow. When you teach a young person and see them having pure joy and focus all at the same time you know you are really bringing them into the moment and influencing their future as a happy adult. Teachers take few accolades but are so very important. Learning how to learn by watching others and visualizing is important but nothing replaces teachers and friends. Family, friends and teachers are what life is all about...

Whenever I post Theory/techniques, I would encourage visualization and mental consideration before any practice. It will serve you well Wink

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More Walkthrough to come Grin

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« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2013, 04:06:05 AM »

Intermediate Reverse Grip 2

There is a distinct difference between these Complex (Compound) Techniques and the Drills that are practiced in the Beginners guide.

1/ Basic Techniques are exchanges/counters that are like a question asked followed by your answer. They teach the guards, leverage and control of the distance and timing.

2/ Complex Techniques use the Reverse Grip in real time in a continuous exchange/attack. They emphasize mobility and blade dynamics. These combinations of attacks/defenses can be unleashed on your sparring partner (Make sure you are both armored) while they learn to defend each attack.

Combination fighters train to wait for the right time and then they overwhelm with power, speed and footwork. I have thrown these at people and they project a great deal of threat and force.

"Circling presents the opportunity..."

Which ones do you like?

Catching the Thief

Starting in the Crown Guard (Left leg lead)

(Where the cut finishes is prioritized, this means it starts right)

1/ D-cut Left (Forward step – Right takes the lead)
2/ H-cut Right
3/ H-cut Left – Spin behind right until facing backwards with a D-cut Right – With two hands on the grip…
4/ A-cut Left – Stepping into an angle step forward and to the left. The blade rolls around into…
5/ Power D-cut straight down from the Crown – Finishing in fool/ Executed with a forward step.

The Glaring Reflection

Starting in the High Guard (Over the right shoulder – Left leg lead)

1/ D-cut Left (2 Hands
2/ D-cut Right
3/ H-cut Left
4/ Lead Forward Spin – The lead left leg steps half way back towards the rear leg facing backwards; it can even at the start step back next to the rear leg with it turning to face backwards as well. As you spin around clockwise the goal is to finish with the left lead again. The right leg that spins forward can vary the speed and reach of the spin by how forward or back it plants and the left follows through naturally.
5/ D-cut Right (During spin)
6/ Forward Spin into
7/ H-cut Right
8/ H-cut Left (Stepping forward into horse stance – 2 hands - The right leg takes the lead) 
9/ A-cut Right – The lead leg (Right) opens its face forward with an advance – The Blade finishes in an Ox position, no follow through.
10/ Rake back into a Left Tail and then advance with another A-cut. (Follow through into Crown)

The Bolting Horse

Starting in Fools Guard Right – (Left leg Lead)

(Distinct feature of the Fools guard on the right for Reverse Grip is that with both hands on the pommel the blade points across and to the right side but on the left it is pointing forwards – In Forwards Grip this is called a Half Tail; Fool’s Guard in Forward Grip is forward left and right sides)

1/ D-cut Left (Forward Step – Right takes the lead)
2/ Rear Forward Spin – The rear leg steps forwards and next to your front foot both end up facing backwards. (From here one can back kick) Spinning clockwise the right foot takes the lead again. Flowing into…
3/ D-cut Right
4/ A-cut Left – (2 Handed)
5/ Step backwards into Ox Guard Right – The left takes the lead.
6/ Charge 2 or 3 steps forwards (running pass also) with an Ox thrust into…
7/ High Parry (All while Charging) into D-cut (straight at the head) – Stop at the head into…
8/ H-cut Left

The Strong Wind

Starting in the Fool’s Guard (Left Leg Lead)

1/ D-cut Left – Stepping forwards into Horse – Right Taking Lead
2/ A-cut Right – Quick Advance into lunge while…
3/ A-cut Left
4/ Recover back into Ox Guard Left – (Right leg lead)
5/ Rear Forward Spin while executing a H-cut Right all the way around clockwise and finishing in a Squat Stance (Feet are square as you finish in a squat, the blade finishes naturally one handed on the right)
6/ A-cut Right – Stepping forwards with the right leg
7/ Lead Forward Spin (Right foot pivots back half way pointing backwards; the rear steps forwards facing backwards as you spin anti-clockwise)
8/ H-cut Left - All the way around into…
9/ Side Kick

The Biting Fly

Starting in Ox Guard Left

(Right foot lead)

1/ H-cut Right – Stepping Forwards (Full commitment)
2/ H-cut Left (One Handed/Left hand cut) – Stepping backwards/releasing the lead hand; the H-cut finishes pointing backwards. (Cutting with the rear hand and stepping backwards)
3/ Retreat into Crown guard
4/ D-cut (straight) pulling in…
5/ Lunge with the lead (Right foot) while Releasing and thrusting with the rear left hand right at their hand/solar plexus. Lean for extra reach.
6/ Recover into Plow Guard Left rejoining the lead hand back to pommel.
7/ Lunge with the rear leg into a Thrust with the rear left hand releasing the lead right hand. (High or Low lines)

The Ceremony of Two

Starting in High Guard Right – (Left lead leg)

1/ H-cut Left – Stepping forwards
2/ H-cut Right
3/ H-cut Right
4/ H-cut left
5/ A-cut Right – Stepping backwards (Left takes the lead) Powerful/ Let it rip like pulling a lawn mower!
6/ Step backwards into a Retreat while you…
7/ D-cut Left into Fool Guard Left
8/ A-cut Right (One Handed) – No follow through/stopping at Ox position/ Tip pointing down at their eyes rebounding down to the right into…
9/ A-cut Left – Stepping forwards at an angle to the Left – (2 handed)

A Sense of Danger

Starting in Tail Guard

Left leg lead (Close stance/Relaxed) – Two hands on the Pommel

1/ A-cut Left – (Right takes the lead) Stepping forwards into…
2/ Rear Forwards Spin while…
3/ H-cut Right (Finishing with Right leg lead/Spinning Anti-clockwise)
4/ A-cut Left – Finishing in Ox position
5/ Step Backwards into…
6/ H-cut Right flowing into…
7/ H-cut Left – Stepping forwards (Right retaking the lead)
8/ Switch to Forwards Grip without withdrawing the blade after its h-cut.
9/ A-cut Right (One hand) – Stepping forwards
10/ Roll over your head into H-cut Right – Roll over into Crown
11/ Straight cut at the head that pulls in so that it disengages to thrust at the throat.

The Provocateur

Starting in the Plow Left

(Left leg lead)

1/ Parry the middle into Plow Right into...
2/ H-cut Left – Stepping Forwards (Right takes the lead)
3/ A-cut Right (one handed) – Roll around into…
4/ A-cut Left with Advance
5/ Rear Forward Spin (Anti-clockwise) into…
6/ D-cut Right
7/ A-cut Left
8/ Step backwards into the Ox Guard Right
9/ Step forwards into H-cut Left
10/ A-cut Right (One handed) with an Advance into
11/ D-cut Left
12/ Step back into Tail

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« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2013, 08:24:10 AM »

Intermediate Reverse Grip 3

Each Set of Complex Techniques has distinct themes and messages, a good thing to do is see how many themes emerge for you Grin

Reverse Grip needs to fully harness its potential; (attacks more then defenses) half measures rarely work...

The Whirling Dervish

Starting in High Guard Right – Left leg lead

1/ A-cut Left – Stepping Forward (2 hands) – (Right takes the lead)
2/ Lead Backwards Spin – Step backwards with the right lead Anti-clockwise – continuing the spin the left foot becomes the lead as…
3/ Releasing the pommel with the lead execute a A-cut Left with follow through into the Crown Guard.
4/ D-cut Left – Stepping forwards/Hutt Slide
5/ Lead Forwards Spin – Spinning Anti-clockwise – Don’t continue the spin with the right stepping through; let the left become the lead.
6/ H-cut Left – Release the lead hand and cut with the left rear hand/ All this from the spin around into the Crown guard.
7/ H-cut Left (Neck) The Blade rebounds back into the Crown guard
8/ H-cut Left (Hands) Rebounding back along its trajectory into the crown guard.
9/ H-cut Left (Knees) Rebounding into Crown guard.
10/ H-cut Right Release/Sweeping cut with a quick Advance like swinging a chain back around over your head but don’t stop in a guard continue into the next cut/ All one handed with the rear hand.
11/ H-cut Right – As above with a quick Advance (Both cuts at the Head)
12/ D-cut Right – One handed continuing the energy of both previous cuts. Quick Advance…
13/ Ox Thrust Right – Still with only the rear hand attacking the blade rolls around and over and out at them while you lunge. Recover stepping back into the OX guard left.
14/ Lead Backwards Spin – Step backwards with the right lead Anti-clockwise – continuing the spin the left foot becomes the lead as…
15/ H-cut Left – Release the lead hand and cut with the rear.

The Deep Winter

Starting in Crown Guard – Left leg lead

1/ D-cut into Plow
2/ High Parry Left – The hilt is to the left of the head.
3/ D-cut Right – Release the lead hand and cut with your left hand. This is one of the reason RG with two-hands is best held with the rear close to the right on the pommel.
4/ D-cut Left – Stepping forwards (The right leg takes the lead but the left hand remains alone on the pommel) Finish in Fool Guard Left
5/ The right hand returns to the lead grip and the rear releases as you execute the next cut.
6/ A-cut Right – (One handed) Rolling around into…
7/ A-cut Left (Switch to Forward Grip)
8/ H-cut Right Stepping forward and around pivoting behind and releasing the rear hand to cut spinning clockwise forwards finishing left leg lead.
9/ Step the Lead left leg backwards into a lunge chambering the blade behind you. Twisting and loading. Left hand plants on the ground.

The Water Rat

Starting in The High Guard – Left leg lead – one handed

1/ D-cut Left – Lunging with the Right leg.
2/ A-cut Right – Still in the lunge recover as you execute. Finishing in the Crown Guard. Switch to the Forward Grip.
3/ H-cut Right – One handed - Lunging with the left leg. Rolling over into…
4/ D-cut Right – Advance
5/ H-cut Left – Side lunge left power cutting left with two hands on the pommel.
6/ Switch weight back to the right as you High Parry Right (Pommel on the right)

The Desert Fox

Starting in the High Guard – Left leg lead

1/ D-cut Left – Stepping forwards – Rock back onto your rear leg as you cut into the Plow Guard.
2/ H-cut Right – Stepping forwards (Left leg takes the lead)
3/ H-cut Left – Switch into forwards grip
4/ D-cut Right – Stepping forwards the right takes the lead – One handed.
5/ High Parry Left – Pommel left side (Still one hand)
6/ Lunge into Thrust into low line/disengage Thrust into high line

The Cautious Warrior

Starting in the Tail Guard – Left leg lead

1/ D-cut Left
2/ D-cut Right – Lunge through with the right leg
3/ A-cut Left – Recover forwards rebounding back into…
4/ H-cut Left – Advancing keeping the pressure.
5/ Step back into OX Guard Right – De-pressuring pops the balloon so to speak. The left leg is now the lead.
6/ H-cut Left - Right leg lunges forwards/Blade with follow through.
7/ A-cut Right – (One-handed) Recover and advance. Roll up and around into…
8/ A-cut Left (One-handed)
9/ H-cut Right - One-handed (Target: hands/weapon)

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« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2013, 02:13:26 PM »

The Beginners Guide to the Reverse Grip 4

I have shared these Beginner and Intermediate Techniques to give context to what I will say in the Serenity Form Walkthrough and to add to the body of Theory. If you use or teach the Reverse Grip; these fundamentals will help you to diversify your choices and lessons. If you are unfamiliar or gave it a go but struggled with it these should give you a deeper understanding. If you already are very experienced with the Reverse Grip then these should add to your repertoire.

How you use the Reverse Grip needs to organize all of your body and blade around it. Using Reverse grip does not exclude Releasing or Switching back to Forwards Grip; in fact RG specializes in Asymmetrical warfare. I believe RG is the Yin to the Forward Grips Yang; what do you think? What are your RG techniques?

Kicking Down the Door

1/ High Parry Left against D-cut
2/ Front kick
3/ D-cut (Straight

The Sleeping Fool

Starting in High Guard Right – Left leg lead

1/ D-cut – Arm/hand with quick Advance

The High Yoke

Starting in High Guard Right – Left leg lead

1/ Step forwards into the OX guard displacing their cut.
2/ OX thrust - Head

The Low Yoke

Starting in High Guard Right – Left leg lead

1/ Step forwards into the OX guard displacing their cut.
2/ OX thrust – Drive the thrust down into the plexus.

Fooling the OX

Starting in High Guard Right – Left leg lead

1/ D-cut stepping forwards – They respond with the OX guard – Before making contact roll the blade back and around and up into…
2/ OX thrust Right – Stepping forwards with the left leg retaking the lead.

The Clever Fool

Starting in High Guard Right – Left leg lead

1/ D-cut stepping forwards – Releasing the lead arm as you side step left.
2/ Thrust into Ribs with the left hand only.

The Slippery Ice

Starting in the Fools Guard Right

1/ A-cut Left rebound into…
2/ A-cut Right: Side step Left.
3/ D-cut Left: Side step right – The blade rolls down and around over into the cut.

The Rising Sun

1/ D-cut Left – Lifting their blade into…
2/ High parry Left
3/ OX thrust
4/ A-cut Right – Running through Right

The Setting Sun

1/ D-cut Left into Plow Left
2/ H-Rake Right
3/ D-cut into Fool Left

The Sickle Moon

1/ D-cut Left – Stepping forwards
2/ D-Rake Right – Stepping forwards
3/ A-cut Left – Right side step

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« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2013, 02:27:11 PM »

I can imagine the moves as you describe them to a degree, Bluesky. I'm still trying to get the difference straight in my head between an A-cut and a D-cut. I can definitely see throwing one or two of these moves in to a FG-heavy routine to gain surprise. I can say that speed and strength would still need to be the focus of any RG move, but I'm starting to see it in my head now. My plate is still full with my current projects (and basics/fundamentals), but cheers for keeping this discussion here alive.

Maybe I can't do the moves described, but I am enjoying the reading and the thought you put in to this. Any way you and/or a mate or two could demonstrate a few specifics from a post like the above? Maybe read the heading (move's name) and then perform the swing? I think I need to see this in action at this point. Oramac's post did this for me and have helped me follow along a with these posts a little more comprehensively. Right now, I'm seeing which of these could be transitioned into from a FG attack most effectively for the old 'surprise! you didn't see that coming, did you' moment. Pretty cool stuff, man!
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« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2013, 12:44:58 AM »

I agree with Eerockk here.  I'm having a hard time visualizing some of those examples.  I see the cuts, but not how it all fits together.
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« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2013, 03:49:53 AM »

The Beginners Guide to the Reverse Grip 5

The guards are constants, which leg is in the lead is a constant, the cuts and thrusts are a constant. If anything needs to be clarified please quote it and I will rewrite and develop the explanation. Thank you for helping me refine this; I am giving this my best although I know it needs allot of work, thank you. 

You are doing great; the point of the theory from my end of things is that RG really is not as developed as it should be and writing it down carries much weight. Videos though are excellent in and of themselves. I have friends all over the world who will be getting this and their school in their language so I hope to play some small part in RG development.

Even if you never use the RG I hope the theory has its universal applications Grin

When you visualize, (An essential mental skill to gain experience rapidly – Don’t move until you see it!) Look for the constants:

Does it step or does it ground?
Is it defending/responding to something or is it maintaining its initiative by not giving them time to respond?
Is it attacking from guard or returning to a guard?
What type of step is it using?
Is it Cutting/Thrusting/ or Cutting into a thrust?
Has it released the lead or rear hands?
Has it switched back to Forwards Grip?
Is the blade rolling at all? For example; I execute a High parry Left (In the case of blocks/parries the direction indicates which side the hilt is on) I fell their pressure trying to enter bind and I Roll it over to the right with my tip down into a drop block right. The tip rolls up and around into a D-cut. What makes this especially effective is the side step left.

Writing theory is its own challenge; as you follow in your mind and become unsure; practice the movement up until where you are stuck and reread it. If it still does not make sense it is probably my format or description. Every time I need clarification, please ask me because I am happy to tinker with this.

The only reason I don’t use the wonderful examples developed by TPLA is I am trying to make it universal for every school and in a language that is universal. Descending as in descend the stairs; Ascending as in Ascend the stairs; Horizontal as in walk across to the window; and Straight as in climb out the window and use the fire escape up or down!

OX Thrust: Exactly like the OX guard only thrusting.

Straight Thrust: No rotation with the edge straight up and down; the right hand seems to hover over and the thrusting power comes from the rear hand.

Released Thrust: The lead releases for reach of the thrust. This can be either an OX or Straight thrust.

The Reverse Grip attacks all 8 lines of attack. Imagine that you draw over your opponent an astrix; counting clockwise:

1 is their head straight down.
2 is their left shoulder down to their right hip – Descending cut Left (Where cuts finish from our perspective explains the line of attack)
3 is their Plexus to waist band across horizontally – Horizontal Cut Left
4 is their Left hip to their right shoulder – Ascending cut Left
5 is their groin to their head – Straight cut
6 is their right hip to their left shoulder – Ascending cut Right
7 is their Plexus to waist band across horizontally – Horizontal Cut Right
8 is their right shoulder down to their left hip – Descending cut Right

When you cut Right to left it is easy to use 2 hands and when you cut left to right one hand is often preferred so that it can roll around for the next assault.

Each Cut tells you where it will finish and where it starts by its finish. D-cut Left has to start by cutting downwards so which shoulder does it hit? It must logically hit the Right Shoulder down to the left hip. The finishing side tells you all you need to know as long as you know what a D-cut is.

As cuts and thrusts attempt to strike you they must be exchanged for your thrust or cut to steal their initiative. Many Forward grip practitioners try to weapon/hand attack using their reach and speed of angles in their cuts OR expect their natural attacks will strike and allow binding and jamming up. Both sound ideas if the wielder of the Reverse Grip is unorganized and just allows them to dictate the terms of surrender.

In the movies Reverse Grip is often just used one handed and with little proficiency in attacks that bear little resemblance to combat. In actually combat one must often be brutal and clinical.

Take for instance the Iron Gate. It can be done with your eyes shut; it is not fancy; they can try to misfire it or reverse the cut but someone with a modicum of practice will is it coming. It exchanges the their tip with your own and thrusts into their face or throat, happening so quick the other swordsmen doesn’t even have time to react appropriately. One-two can turn also into a fluid riposte…

It does not look pretty, it does not look clever, and it is at the very heart of using the Reverse Grip. In fact the footwork is basic, like a tank just rolling forwards; it does not need to hurry.

Shadows Cloak

Starting in Fools Guard Right

1/ Covering Defense: Starting in fools guard right with the left leg in lead; cover across into Plow Left. Key feature is stepping forwards slightly and to the left with the lead leg to open up your hips.

Note: Push down on the pommel its faster than using your arms.

The Iron Gate

Starting in Fools Guard Right

1/ Swing the Gate closed across your body into Plow Left. Execute the slight opening step with your lead foot.
2/ Stepping through with the Right leg – Thrust without any rotation or rotate into the straight thrust or twist into an OX thrust.

The Rusty Hinge

Starting in Fools Guard Right

Your opponent thinks your chest is wide open and thrusts boldly…

1/ Deflect as you go into your Plow left but what happens is your thrust emerges; straight thrust, OX thrust, released thrust with the left hand and so on. Because of sliding with steel weapons it sounds like an old rusty hinge! The same foot work as above; open the lead foot and step through with your rear leg.

The Bent Nail

Starting in Fools Guard Right

Your opponent thinks your chest is wide open and thrusts boldly…

1/ As the Thrust enters the Plow left becomes a Throw left. Practice at first in two movements; Plow into Throw breaking their line of attack allowing for your own to follow through. Once this is smooth; turn it into a beating action over and down; it describes the arc of the plow but really beats down their blade trying to bend it! Finally the Throw can turn into a Scoop; the blade has mechanical advantage and so can roll around and scoop right with the false edge; the back of the blade.

The Sharpened Stick

Starting in Fools Guard Right

1/ Quickly advance and thrust or step and thrust or lunge and thrust from the Fools guard right. Rotate the pommel instead of your hands for speed.
2/ The targeting here is simple and effective: Hands/Throat/Head/Groin using Straight thrusting (2 hands) or a released thrust with the left hand for reach.

Note: Don’t over muscle or strain here; quick in and out – Make them doubt.

The Cat Chases the Bird

Starting in Fools Guard Left (Left foot lead)

Note: These techniques use the same concepts as above but from left to right instead of right to left. Also they use the false/back of the blade.

1/ Block with the back of your blade as it angles up and across guarding the flank from left to right.
2/ Follow up with a D-cut OR H-cut. "The bird cannot leave the ground before it is caught."

The Pouncing Cat

Starting in Fools Guard Left (Left foot lead)

1/ As above the blade goes up and back across to the right injecting and deflecting like you are throwing a sack of potatoes over your right shoulder and then because it has leverage it cuts down on their blade suppressing it.

This can turn into a scoop left if you desire. Your blade is in pole position over theirs, to their perspective this is the back of their blade.

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« Reply #56 on: March 28, 2013, 04:36:00 PM »

Reverse Grip Studies

It is allot to absorb but I think anyone patient enough to work their way through it will reap many rewards.

Taking everything you have learnt and know and have experienced with the Reverse Grip, see how many guards, cuts and thrusts you can identify for both opponents? Let me know what you see?

It is a little slow at the start but it creates a feeling for the courage and spirit of the Jedi by the end. The music also amplifies the battle; in my opinion watch it all if you can you wont be disappointed Grin

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« Reply #57 on: March 28, 2013, 04:55:44 PM »

Reverse Grip Studies 2

As you can see from the last video guards, attacks and defenses all have a close relationship. See how many cuts you can find in this video. (No video is perfect but it has some good examples of most cuts, a good straight thrust, spins and general classic Japanese fun!

These two posts add flavor to the whole discussion about the RG. Also it highlights that mistakes are as common as good technique.

Recording your own theory in your own sword diary will help you in the years to come...

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« Reply #58 on: March 28, 2013, 10:16:41 PM »

Um, not sure what your precise background/degree of understanding of martial arts is, but I dunno if you want to use Zatoichi as an example to any degree of legitimacy...

I also voice support to Oromac and Eerock that it would be great if you could make some videos demonstrating the techniques you're describing. Speaking for myself - I can read instructions just fine and have a pretty decent imagination, but there are multiple parameters for even a single good cut or parry, not just the general trajectory and target of the attacking limb. Rather than simply guessing at the maneuvers you're trying to describe, to which two different people may imagine the same fundamental movement two subtle yet importantly different ways, it only takes a few seconds to see the actual movements themselves and analyze them.

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« Reply #59 on: March 28, 2013, 11:47:26 PM »

I also voice support to Oromac and Eerock that it would be great if you could make some videos demonstrating the techniques you're describing.

Further to this, I realize that not everyone is able to do videos, so I had another thought in mind that would help me wrap these concepts around my head a little more tightly. Could you try to present fewer examples or moves, but add more descriptions and details to each item you present, and maybe describe the example in context to how this should affect the opponent, and what the opponent might be doing to warrant the example?

Whether it's feasible for real combat or not, RG is used in Star Wars, and that's why I remain interested in this thread. Smiley
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