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« Reply #52800 on: September 03, 2020, 05:09:34 PM »

So.....I finished Legend of Korra last night.

Not the strongest ending for that villain imo - though im curious what you thought
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« Reply #52801 on: September 03, 2020, 05:35:57 PM »

Where to begin.

Pros:

Varrick and Xiu Li doing the thing.
Diesel punk cliche of giant robot battle.
Evil arising in all elements, to balance the "evil" of the Fire Nation in ATLAB.
[SPOILER]The return of Toph[/SPOILER]
Kujira's metal bending style


Cons:
Korra's never ending OP Saiyen style of growth.
Diesel punk cliche of giant robot battle.
Prince Wu
The overly stressed insta-bff relationship between Korra and Asami that bordered on other things to a Frodo-Sam level.
No resolution of the loss of the past lives.
Kujira's never ending supply of armor to throw.
Battar Jr.'s unexplained beef with his parents.
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« Reply #52802 on: September 03, 2020, 07:23:22 PM »

Some things were explained, so after a rewatch here's my notes:

Where to begin.

Pros:

Varrick and Xiu Li doing the thing.

- YES

Diesel punk cliche of giant robot battle.

- Where the duality of this being a positive and negative is funny, Im still kinda lost on "giant mecha" as a trope. Was actually 100% a negative for me, even if it had some decent foreshadowing.

Evil arising in all elements, to balance the "evil" of the Fire Nation in ATLAB.
[SPOILER]The return of Toph[/SPOILER]
Kuvira's metal bending style


Cons:
Korra's never ending OP Saiyen style of growth.

-I thought this made sense given what we saw of Aang in the original series. Had incredible power and a pre-pubescent age, where Korra had trained straight to adulthood. The only thing holding her back was her own mental limitations which is a big theme of the show.

Diesel punk cliche of giant robot battle.
Prince Wu
The overly stressed insta-bff relationship between Korra and Asami that bordered on other things to a Frodo-Sam level.

-Korra / Asami is confirmed via comics and whatnot to be bisexual and entered a romantic relationship. This was intended by the writers, but Nickelodeon did not want this included due to fears of a negative audience reaction. Thus a weird and unclear viewing experience.

No resolution of the loss of the past lives.

-I'd argue that the resolution to this is Korra becoming a stronger and more independent person. From a meta perspective if Aang was there to hold her hand the whole time, it would devalue her in the viewer's eyes since most viewing this show had an attachment to the character of Aang already and would be less willing to let Korra grow and be her own unique character. Either way, this could have been fleshed out better.

Kuvira's never ending supply of armor to throw.
Battar Jr.'s unexplained beef with his parents.

-My understanding was resentment and ambition. He wanted to be great and do something to be remembered and sitting in a silent utopia did nothing for that dream.


*Note; you might be making a joke or reference with Kuvira's name im just too dense to understand. Been a long day forgive me if that correction came out rude.
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« Reply #52803 on: September 03, 2020, 08:42:53 PM »

Dieselpunk cliche of giant robot battle.

- Where the duality of this being a positive and negative is funny, Im still kinda lost on "giant mecha" as a trope. Was actually 100% a negative for me, even if it had some decent foreshadowing.
Foreshadowing of what? Anywho, rudimentary giant robots are a dieselpunk thing.



It was PRO for artistic reasons. Considering that the world of Korra is very dieselpunky, it almost wouldn't be right to NOT have a giant unstoppable robot. I just expected something better for the finale. Unless they were trying to go for a 5th season.

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Korra's never ending OP Saiyen style of growth.

-I thought this made sense given what we saw of Aang in the original series. Had incredible power and a pre-pubescent age, where Korra had trained straight to adulthood. The only thing holding her back was her own mental limitations which is a big theme of the show.
Take her metal bending. A few lessons and then she's pro enough to bend mercury out of body? Or one meeting with Toph and she can read the vines like a book?

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The overly stressed insta-bff relationship between Korra and Asami that bordered on other things to a Frodo-Sam level.

-Korra / Asami is confirmed via comics and whatnot to be bisexual and entered a romantic relationship. This was intended by the writers, but Nickelodeon did not want this included due to fears of a negative audience reaction. Thus a weird and unclear viewing experience.
Just go ahead and ship 'em: Korrasmai. <puke> It was as painful as that kiss at the end of ROS. It served no purpose in the story, so why bother with it? "Because we're so inclusive and progressive."

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No resolution of the loss of the past lives.

-I'd argue that the resolution to this is Korra becoming a stronger and more independent person. From a meta perspective if Aang was there to hold her hand the whole time, it would devalue her in the viewer's eyes since most viewing this show had an attachment to the character of Aang already and would be less willing to let Korra grow and be her own unique character. Either way, this could have been fleshed out better.
But as established in ATLAB, Aang relied a lot on Roku's guidance, but was never once told that he had to do it the same way the Avatar had done it for centuries. Aang was permitted to be his own Avatar, just as each of his predecessors had done before him. NTM why the hell go through all the trouble of the story of the first Avatar, and establish the importance of Korra's spiritual development only to throw it away?

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Battar Jr.'s unexplained beef with his parents.

-My understanding was resentment and ambition. He wanted to be great and do something to be remembered and sitting in a silent utopia did nothing for that dream.
Hmm. He was boring, so I probably just didn't remember. Not to mention completely whipped. I saw him being used as a "bargaining chip" ending badly from a country mile away.

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*Note; you might be making a joke or reference with Kuvira's name im just too dense to understand. Been a long day forgive me if that correction came out rude.
No, joke. V is not a consonant I'm used to hearing in Asian dialects. Considering that the world of Avatar is heavily based in Asian/Pacific cultures, the J sound made more sense in my memory.
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« Reply #52804 on: September 03, 2020, 09:04:57 PM »


Foreshadowing of what? Anywho, rudimentary giant robots are a dieselpunk thing.


The progression of mech technology starting in season 1, then combined with the advanced metalbending culture meant that giant robots were expected, foreshadowed.


Take her metal bending. A few lessons and then she's pro enough to bend mercury out of body? Or one meeting with Toph and she can read the vines like a book?

Aang also read the great tree in "The Swamp" in similarly quick fashion. Also Toph picked up metalbending with no instructor nor precendent in about 5 minutes - its a natural extension of earthbending that can be quickly learned.

Just go ahead and ship 'em: Korrasmai. <puke> It was as painful as that kiss at the end of ROS. It served no purpose in the story, so why bother with it? "Because we're so inclusive and progressive."

Again, the semi-inclusion was due to Nickelodeon suppressing what the writers wanted to do. I think it was originally planned to show that Korra had grown enough as a person for a more mature and healthy relationship, rather than the unhealthy and difficult romances she had in the past. It was intended to be another signal of her emotional growth, I think.

But as established in ATLAB, Aang relied a lot on Roku's guidance, but was never once told that he had to do it the same way the Avatar had done it for centuries. Aang was permitted to be his own Avatar, just as each of his predecessors had done before him. NTM why the hell go through all the trouble of the story of the first Avatar, and establish the importance of Korra's spiritual development only to throw it away?

As I said no matter how you cut it this particular plot point could have been better handled. I think the writers were concerned Aang, a pre-existing and already beloved character would draw attention and focus away from the "new kid"

Hmm. He was boring, so I probably just didn't remember. Not to mention completely whipped. I saw him being used as a "bargaining chip" ending badly from a country mile away.

Yup. only caught this detail on a rewatch. Dudes a dead fish of emotional complexity.

No, joke. V is not a consonant I'm used to hearing in Asian dialects. Considering that the world of Avatar is heavily based in Asian/Pacific cultures, the J sound made more sense in my memory.

Makes sense.
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« Reply #52805 on: September 03, 2020, 10:10:44 PM »



I'd just like to quickly ask how many of us have watched this show? I used to watch it all the time as somehow we had some DVDs from this series. Also, this is one of my favorite Superman logos I've ever seen.
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« Reply #52806 on: September 04, 2020, 04:26:19 PM »

The progression of mech technology starting in season 1, then combined with the advanced metalbending culture meant that giant robots were expected, foreshadowed.
You mean it was foreshadowed. You made it sound the giant Megatron ripoff was foreshadowing something else.

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Aang also read the great tree in "The Swamp" in similarly quick fashion. Also Toph picked up metalbending with no instructor nor precendent in about 5 minutes - its a natural extension of earthbending that can be quickly learned.
But Toph was also the most powerful earth bender in the world, if not ever. I didn't question that she would be able to figure out that metal is simply purified earth. Which to me was a bit of dumb in the Korra canon; platinum is too pure to bend? If it was that pure, then it would have been exceptionally soft, and made terrible armor. NTM where TF do you dig up that much platinum?

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Again, the semi-inclusion was due to Nickelodeon suppressing what the writers wanted to do. I think it was originally planned to show that Korra had grown enough as a person for a more mature and healthy relationship, rather than the unhealthy and difficult romances she had in the past. It was intended to be another signal of her emotional growth, I think.
The notion still was a stretch. What guarantee was that Asami was also bi? Lemme guess: explained in the comics? Undecided And just because you choose an alternative relationship does not equate to "healthy and mature". To me, it points to the exact opposite in that you don't know what you want or need and are grasping at whatever straws pass by.

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As I said no matter how you cut it this particular plot point could have been better handled. I think the writers were concerned Aang, a pre-existing and already beloved character would draw attention and focus away from the "new kid"
Perhaps. To me, it just reinforced that Korra was an undisciplined brat with no sense of tradition. Because #$%& it. I'm original, and important, and I can do it better. A true Millennial. Something about history and being doomed to repeat.
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« Reply #52807 on: September 08, 2020, 06:19:16 PM »

Ho-k. So I finally got to start watching Cobra Kai this weekend....and damn near finished it. WOW! It's kind of a total package: everything you'd expect, on top of some things you don't see coming. Children of the 80s as well as fans of the OG movie are in for a treat. Plenty of tasteful throwbacks, but better still, well-times flashbacks. And Bill Zapka does not disappoint. And I absolutely love how blurry the lines of good/bad get.
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« Reply #52808 on: September 08, 2020, 09:08:35 PM »

Ho-k. So I finally got to start watching Cobra Kai this weekend....and damn near finished it. WOW! It's kind of a total package: everything you'd expect, on top of some things you don't see coming. Children of the 80s as well as fans of the OG movie are in for a treat. Plenty of tasteful throwbacks, but better still, well-times flashbacks. And Bill Zapka does not disappoint. And I absolutely love how blurry the lines of good/bad get.
I love this show. I can't wait for season three.
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« Reply #52809 on: September 08, 2020, 10:11:03 PM »

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« Reply #52810 on: September 09, 2020, 12:42:58 PM »

I love this show. I can't wait for season three.
And now it is finished. Cry WOW! I haven't had my socks knocked off like this since Avatar. The last episode went a bit too extreme, like to an unbelievable level, but ooooooooo, the cliff hanger. Angry Grin Angry Grin Angry Grin Angry Grin Angry Grin Cry
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« Reply #52811 on: September 09, 2020, 04:11:19 PM »

And now it is finished. Cry WOW! I haven't had my socks knocked off like this since Avatar. The last episode went a bit too extreme, like to an unbelievable level, but ooooooooo, the cliff hanger. Angry Grin Angry Grin Angry Grin Angry Grin Angry Grin Cry
The last episode did get a bit cartoonish, but it still loved it. That cliff hanger though... Damn! And I saw the whole thing a full year ago, so I NEED to know what happens next really soon. It's driving me nuts.
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« Reply #52812 on: September 09, 2020, 04:26:45 PM »

The last episode did get a bit cartoonish, but it still loved it. That cliff hanger though... Damn! And I saw the whole thing a full year ago, so I NEED to know what happens next really soon. It's driving me nuts.
I thought it was a Netflix original, so how were you seeing it a year ago when it only just released?

But, yeah. THE fight {won't spoil anything} went on waaaaayyyy too long. It went to prove that the writers have no clue how tiring a real fight is. Especially when you are putting effort into attacking.

What really drives me insane is that just about everybody in this show is an emotional train wreck and NOBODY knows how to direct the necessary clean up. There could be a very powerful and necessary message delivered by this show if executed properly. It gives me hope for the next season, which I hope is the finale. I love it, and don't want it to be over this quickly, but the way the story is pacing, it needs to end in the 3rd season, or slow down to incorporate a 4th, but that would be the limit. Otherwise it's just grasping for existence and will get lame real quick.
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« Reply #52813 on: September 09, 2020, 05:00:03 PM »

I thought it was a Netflix original, so how were you seeing it a year ago when it only just released?
It was originally a YouTube Premium produced show. I was expecting season 3 on YouTube last March or April. I just found out Netflix bought the show and are taking it from here.

But, yeah. THE fight {won't spoil anything} went on waaaaayyyy too long. It went to prove that the writers have no clue how tiring a real fight is. Especially when you are putting effort into attacking.
This is true. The "martial arts" In this show are extremely questionable to begin with, and even in the original movies, it was never the main focus. It's always been more about the principles of martial arts and the characters. But when you get invested in those characters and then they get into it... I couldn't care less about how "real" the fighting is.

I love it, and don't want it to be over this quickly, but the way the story is pacing, it needs to end in the 3rd season, or slow down to incorporate a 4th, but that would be the limit. Otherwise it's just grasping for existence and will get lame real quick.
I agree. One, MABEY two more seasons tops.
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« Reply #52814 on: September 09, 2020, 06:20:42 PM »

This is true. The "martial arts" In this show are extremely questionable to begin with, and even in the original movies, it was never the main focus. It's always been more about the principles of martial arts and the characters. But when you get invested in those characters and then they get into it... I couldn't care less about how "real" the fighting is.
That's not what I mean. Heed the wisdom of Bugs Bunny, and countless others: let your opponent tire out trying to penetrate your defense, then when they have nothing left to defend with, unleash your assault. But that fight went on for like 15min. When have you ever heard of hand-to-hand combat lasting that long? Hell, the shootout at the O.K. Corral was over with 10x faster.
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