But all the OT characters are based on well known archetypes. They all fit a mold. Why would they change that method of story telling 7 movies in?
As far as Poe's piloting skills, Luke had never even been off world, and just like that he's the best pilot in the Rebellion? That doesn't seem a little contrived?
Luke: naive but skilled hero-to-be
Leia: hardly the damsel in distress
Han: handsome rogue.....yeah, but he did it well.
Luke was already a good pilot. Obi Wan as much said so, and he would have had enough experience to judge. But like his father before him, Luke probably also had use of the Force to guide him without his knowing. But he still had exposure to flight craft, so he didn't up and Ma-Rey Sue the pilot seat the first time he's in a fighter.
No...but if that had inspired a love and passion for driving that went beyond going from A to B, which then lead to racing cars, which lead to becoming very skilled. Then Red Bull might be chasing you down. Same with Poe. He grew to love flying and wanted to follow in his Heroes footsteps. None of this is contrived.
Maybe. I still say it's contrived. I'd have liked it better, and felt it more believable if he'd only been flying since...say early teens.
yea. Not boasting if you can back it up
Well, he did claim to be able to fly anything, and ended up crashing the TIE. A crash that was supposed to have ended him.
Characters ALWAYS fit some type of mold...
But how form fitting is the mold: gingerbread man or die cast?
If the way Rey and Poe were presented to us was more nuanced and not so over the top, it probably wouldn't be such an issue. It's just that watching Eps 7 and 8 it's like their sheer overpowered-ness is both in your face and shoved down your throat. I used to think of JJ directing the film and thinking "muahaha, you Star Wars fans think you know powerful characters, well watch THIS."
As OP as Rey is, Poe is almost worse because he isn't force-sensitive and yet is unashamedly presented as the best pilot in the galaxy past or present. The what... 14 or something TIE fighters he took out in 10 seconds during the mission on Takodana was all we needed to see to know that Star Wars ain't what it once was.
Exactly. He racks up an ace in one fly-by in under 3 seconds. Anakin on his best day couldn't have done that. That was just shellty movie making.
I never saw this insinuated, he never claimed to be the "Best Pilot Evar!" His claim was "Best Pilot in the Resistance". Why is this a stretch? Han boasts about his prowess during his introduction same as Poe. 30 years of Technology and Training advancement has happened, it isn't far fetched to see that in play in skillful pilots. Poe had a natural affinity for flying, he was trained by one of the most skilled pilots in the rebellion then went on to have more training based on the techniques of the likes of Wedge and Luke. His skill was due to the bad asses of the past. As for Rey, she was presented as Mysterious. She obviously had skills that she couldn't have just picked up. This was (as with JJ) a mystery box. I have no issue with that. It was Rian Johnson and TLJ that ruined any advancement.
True. Truer still, neither Han nor Poe actually boasts about being "the best" at anything. Poe claimed to be able to fly anything. Emo Ren pointed it out during his capture that he was "the best pilot in the Resistance." And Han boasted about the Falcon's speed, not his ability.
He never claimed it, sure, but he didn't need to. His battlefield prowess is presented as
lightyears beyond anything that Wedge, Luke, Anakin, or Han could ever hope to do. And that's the issue. Poe isn't force-sensitive and therefore shouldn't be as great a pilot as say Anakin or Luke yet he is much, much better. He makes force-sensitives look like bush pilots.
Just take another gander. Absolutely nothing else in Star Wars comes remotely close to this level.
! No longer availableAgain, this is 30 years later. It makes sense that there would be a pilot more skilled than Wedge or Han. Because he built upon their skills they passed on (and they did). Now, as to him showing more prowess than a Force user..I don't agree. Vader has been shown in rebels and the comics to be able to take on whole squadrons on his own. The problem is the film makers (Uncle George included) seemed to gloss over Force Sensitives letting loose. So I don't think the "solution" is to nerf Poe..but actually show a Force user cut loose on film. On film, so far, all we've seen are Force users in Military roles who can't cut loose.
I'll settle this. Poe is human. Nothing has been said about his flight suit being special. The maneuvers executed in that scene, and at that speed, should have crushed his organs into paste, and ripped the wings off his ship.
And along the lines of what Tepes said, I would love to see a Force user go full "Rage mode" kind of thing where they completely let loose in the movies. That would be very entertaining to see. now that I think about it, a Force user letting loose reminds me of this video...
! No longer availableNot exactly what he was on about. He meant a Force user
pilot go nuts in a ship.
We saw a hint in Rogue One with Vader decimating the Rebel Soldiers. Thats why either a Vader Film or a Old Republic film is so high on my want list. But...we're getting a show about Cassian Andor.......... ummmmm yay?
Woohoo. Mr. French Resistance cliche is getting a show.
The first was great and the second one was even better with the action, fight combos, and Force powers. I was just disappointed that it was much shorter than the first but the story line was really good as well.
Meh. I thought the first was far superior. Better story, better layout, better concepts, better bad guys, better challenge.
anybody think this'll be how they introduce Darth Caedus into canon?
Ugh. NO! And we riot if they do. Emo Ren was their best chance at doing Darth Caedus, and the botched that all to hell.
although it would fit what they like to do to the old canon.
You mean rape and maim it?
Plot twist, Kylo and Rey are actually Jacen and Jaina
Only......y'know.....lame.
Kylo already is a watered down version of Jacen...what makes it so infuriating is that Adam Driver and Daisy would have been fine as Jacen and Jaina....and Sebastian Stan as Ben Skywalker.
<stands and applauds> HEAR HEAR!
