Thoughts on The Rise of Skywalker - SPOILERS

[Darth Logos]

Still feel it's too early for main threads.

[PsychoSith]

Still feel it's too early for main threads.

Point! lol

[Darth Logos]

Point! lol

I actually want this print.

[PsychoSith]

Hux just looks so......internally screaming

[Darth Logos]

Hux just looks so......internally screaming

I was rather disappointed by his involvement in the story. And I was exceptionally disgusted by how they built up Phasma to be the ultimate battle-hardened bitch, and a damn explosion takes her out in the last movie. Woohoo, she has a grand total of 6min of screen time in 2 movies. LAME.

[PsychoSith]

I was rather disappointed by his involvement in the story. And I was exceptionally disgusted by how they built up Phasma to be the ultimate battle-hardened bitch, and a damn explosion takes her out in the last movie. Woohoo, she has a grand total of 6min of screen time in 2 movies. LAME.

I liked where Hux ended up, but I agree on Phasma - I really thought she'd return after TLJ given her big character trait is "SURVIVOR"

[Taegin Roan]

The worst part about Hux is he could've been SOOOOO awesome had TLJ not made a fool of him. Even in TFA he seemd to be this loyal, evil, powerful character that we didn't know a lot about, but had the potential to be one of the greatest villains of SW. He could just about someone the likes of Lucius Malfoy who as evil as they are, are still interesting characters.

[Cyclops942]

He could just about someone the likes of Lucius Malfoy who as evil as they are, are still interesting characters.

Ha!  Point for the spot-on Harry Potter reference!  Lucius Malfoy is, indeed, an interesting character in his own right, and has depths that are only hinted at in the books (and COMPLETELY glossed over in the movies), because we see (almost) everything in the books from Harry’s perspective.

[Darth Logos]

The worst part about Hux is he could've been SOOOOO awesome had TLJ not made a fool of him. Even in TFA he seemd to be this loyal, evil, powerful character that we didn't know a lot about, but had the potential to be one of the greatest villains of SW. He could just about someone the likes of Lucius Malfoy who as evil as they are, are still interesting characters.

Despite my utter hatred of the FO, Hux had potential as a villain. He was driven, ambitious, and charismatic. At least he was in TFA. Then he turns into this sniveling, bumbling, idiot.

Same with Phasma. I agree that I was a bit disgusted by the feminist superpower overtones of the first 2 movies, but she was another character that failed to meet potential due to idiot production. For those that saw GoT, we all know what Gwendoline Christie is capable of, and effectively is what they hoped to sell us. But due to the $#!% design of her armor, she could barely move, so all we got was the voice of a badass, walking and standing, and getting her ass kicked by what should have been lesser characters.....except Chewie. I mean, hell, the friggin LEGO character had a better range of movement.

I think that was why the fandom was so divided. The Disney regime at LF had limitless potential to go forward, and they squandered it with poor choices.

[PsychoSith]

After a couple weeks to sit on my opinion I thought I'd share some addition pros and cons:

1) The Dagger was.....weird. I liked it until the horizon line gimmick. I felt like they could have just had the info on the blade and been done with it - but I feel like they had to justify Rey going to Ren's Star Destroyer, which was a cool scene, but left the dagger being kinda stupid as a plot device.

2) I liked Ben Solo a lot. More Adam Driver appreciation here, but I love when he was fully redeemed how much his mannerisms mimicked Han. Some quality acting there.

3) I enjoyed the Occult feeling of the Sith Eternal. The Sith are tonally weird. Before this movie, with all their movie appearances they were just kinda evil without real explanation excepting Anakin. The EU and whatnot fleshed that out but it wasnt until TRoS that we got that creepy, dark, cult-like atmosphere in a movie that a lot of the licensed work excelled at. The large statues, arid dark environment of Exogol, and Palpatine's chilling thrall all did good by the Sith's presentation.  

4) I Still wished they killed Chewbacca. I know it sounds awful, and I love Chewie, but this movie was all about character progression and pushing these new characters to grow. Chewie didnt have any sort of emotional arc in this movie and his death to further conflict Rey about her abilities would have been a better use for the character than him just sitting around occasionally growling for the rest of the movie. Again I love this character but the only scenes in which he mattered was his "death" and to add extra emotional impact to Leia's death.

5) Leia was tactfully done. We all knew Leia had to die in this movie due to real-life tragedy. Her sacrifice to force Kylo to confront his feelings and memory of his fathers is both touching and the most "listen here you little sh**" Carrie Fisher style powermove you could put in that script.

6) Kylo and Rey's duel on Kef Bir is one of my favorites in the franchise. This duel didnt have the meaning of the OT's duels, and it didnt have the flashy choreography of the PT - BUT this duel was one of the best in telling a story without a word of dialogue. The fighting style of both characters tell a very strong story about them each. Kylo is the superior fighter, draining Rey's stamina and matching her at every swing but is hampered ultimately by his emotional instability, where Rey's is explosive, acrobatic, and powerful but lacks technique and refinement; broad, wild strikes show her power but also her lack of skill in dueling, which exhausts her over the duration of the fight. I like subtle / environmental storytelling and this duel has that in spades.

Just some additional thoughts for y'all

[chalion]

Darth Logos; PsychoSith:

Both salient points. Overall, I liked what they did with this movie and how they were able to work Carrie Fisher/Leia into this and overall thought it was very tastefully done. A fitting tribute to a Great Actress.


Could they have done this movie better? Yes. Do I wish they did a more concise and heart stirring plot and closure? Yes again. But I think they did a good enough job to close out this part of the Star Wars story.

-1 point to the both of you.

[Darth Logos]

I still believe that the main loss stems from that those in charge have no interest in telling a good story; only what can be marketed.

[TheDutchman]

I still believe that the main loss stems from that those in charge have no interest in telling a good story; only what can be marketed.

I cannot agree more with this assessment^^

While I was generally underwhelmed with TRoS, it WAS an improvement over TLJ and had several good scenes that I enjoyed thoroughly.  But as Logos adroitly pointed out, it ultimately suffered from those in charge neither knowing what they had nor particularly caring outside of financial success.

Still: the BEST part of TRoS (as well as TLJ) is being able to hear/read disparate POVs from fellow Forum members.  Special mention to PsychoSith whose stalwart positivity reminds me why I love Star Wars so much: this Universe is FULL of great ideas, hope, and even better people 

Points!

[jessifer]

I personally thought they did pretty well with the material they were left with after the disaster that was TLJ. Don’t get me wrong, almost anything that is SW I will watch and get some enjoyment out of, but they really pushed it with that one. With TRoS, I feel they really rushed in the first act to set up everything they were going to do in the second and third. I really feel they would have benefited from an Avengers Endgame strategy and given us a three hour movie to give them time and space to tell the story properly.


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[PsychoSith]

I cannot agree more with this assessment^^

While I was generally underwhelmed with TRoS, it WAS an improvement over TLJ and had several good scenes that I enjoyed thoroughly.  But as Logos adroitly pointed out, it ultimately suffered from those in charge neither knowing what they had nor particularly caring outside of financial success.

Still: the BEST part of TRoS (as well as TLJ) is being able to hear/read disparate POVs from fellow Forum members.  Special mention to PsychoSith whose stalwart positivity reminds me why I love Star Wars so much: this Universe is FULL of great ideas, hope, and even better people  

Points!

And i don't want to be mistaken - by no means do i think these movies are anything close to perfect; I just think they're plenty enjoyable,