Sith or Jedi story

[Inquisitor Mana]

I am at odds for this consideration.

In RPG sense I like to play a sneaky dark sider, usually pretending to be a good guy...poison is your friend.

In real life I am all light side.

So if the question is game related, and my only choice is jedi or sith, then I would say sith...though I would prefer dark sider than sith...even in a game, killing children is not in my wheelhouse.

And if the question is relating to real life, hard to tell with the posts going in many directions, then I would say more jedi...though I like girls/women and would appreciate the opportunity to pursue such creatures...so, jedi lite maybe?

[Darth_Arkanus]

Something which I am not sure came up in the original question is WHY the question is asked. Are we talking about why we choose one side or the other, purely from a gaming perspective, or is the question deeper than that? Also, are then answers being given purely fun, gamer based, or are they ideological choices? It seems that most answers, including mine, are the latter.

As a result, you have to look at both sides as more than one dimensional, cartoon characters. This is something that I feel most people fail to do; especially with the Sith, cos' it's soooooo easy! But to some degree with Jedi too. Again, it's so easy; "Sith = Evil, Jedi = Good" This is far too simplistic I feel, though i know that most here don't share my view.

[kagemusha shin]

Well sith are on self improvement to become "perfect" all we care about is our progression to that. The code is exactly opposite to the Jedi code

[Aurentis]

i think there's an essential difference between Sith & Jedi here. Jedi do EVERYTHING for others; they are NEVER the motivating factor in their actions, therefore, they are living vicariously through others & without them, would have no purpose.

I think I agree with everything but your last statement, that Jedi live "vicariously" through others.  I don't really think that's the case.
I would also argue that Jedi don't need others to provide their sense of purpose in life -- they already have that purpose, and it's being a Jedi.  That is its own validation.  Needing other poeple to give you purpose breeds powerful attachment, which is eschewed by the Order, as it is in Zen.

[Inquisitor Mana]

Something which I am not sure came up in the original question is WHY the question is asked. Are we talking about why we choose one side or the other, purely from a gaming perspective, or is the question deeper than that? Also, are then answers being given purely fun, gamer based, or are they ideological choices? It seems that most answers, including mine, are the latter.

As a result, you have to look at both sides as more than one dimensional, cartoon characters. This is something that I feel most people fail to do; especially with the Sith, cos' it's soooooo easy! But to some degree with Jedi too. Again, it's so easy; "Sith = Evil, Jedi = Good" This is far too simplistic I feel, though i know that most here don't share my view.

I am coming into this without invitation or prior knowledge, but are you saying you try to live by the sith code, in real life?

[Nhylus]

Well sith are on self improvement to become "perfect" all we care about is our progression to that. The code is exactly opposite to the Jedi code

And they will never get this perfection. Destroy one insecurity or flaw and another one takes its place. Its a never ending cycle and a never ending quest for power.

[Darth_Arkanus]

I am coming into this without invitation or prior knowledge, but are you saying you try to live by the sith code, in real life?

Not so much, and I'm certainly not trying to dominate and control others in my life; but I am seeking to understand and control myself, and I have tried Jedi style "locking out" (or more aptly, locking IN) of things like emotions, passion, fear, anger etc. I've tried living only to help others and being "nice" all the time; and it's got me nowhere.

Now I have a more self-centric view, concluding that if I cannot help MYSELF first, how can I possibly be there for anyone else? I see it much more as a transaction now in which "I" should get something too; and that this isn't a BAD thing.

I'm also seeking to understand and cultivate my anger, so that is no long just the destructive force it has previously been.

There's a LOT more that forum rules prohibit going into.

[kagemusha shin]

And they will never get this perfection. Destroy one insecurity or flaw and another one takes its place. Its a never ending cycle and a never ending quest for power.

But this depends it could be perfection at ones job or to be the best in business

[Nhylus]

But this depends it could be perfection at ones job or to be the best in business

It still applies, perfection is a prize that doesn't exist. You will never be flawless in anything to anyone. I think Tyler Carter (Woe, Is Me., Issues) is a perfect singer, some people (my vocal coach included)  disagree. I think Jolly Rancher's Awesome Twosome's are the perfect candy, some people think they're gross. The list can go on. The Sith have objective quests for subjective rewards.

There seems to be a trend going that Jedi are 100% selfless and seek no inner-strength, have no self-interest. Their life is not dedicated to aiding others. Their life is dedicated to the Force. To understanding how it binds us, how it intertwines us. That life is precious. Helping others is a side affect of having the mindset that they do and the role they have as peacekeepers.

Most of the objections to the Jedi Order come from The Old Republic games. They had to make the Jedi one extreme to counteract the Sith. They had to include features which made the Jedi undesirable to some, so that the Sith side would actually be played. If all the Jedi in those games were wise and understood all the angles like some of our favorite movie heroes, no one would want to play the Sith other than to be the ultimate evil character.

But like I said before, if the Sith code works for you, it works for you.

[kagemusha shin]

It still applies, perfection is a prize that doesn't exist. You will never be flawless in anything to anyone. I think Tyler Carter (Woe, Is Me., Issues) is a perfect singer, some people (my vocal coach included)  disagree. I think Jolly Rancher's Awesome Twosome's are the perfect candy, some people think they're gross. The list can go on. The Sith have objective quests for subjective rewards.

There seems to be a trend going that Jedi are 100% selfless and seek no inner-strength, have no self-interest. Their life is not dedicated to aiding others. Their life is dedicated to the Force. To understanding how it binds us, how it intertwines us. That life is precious. Helping others is a side affect of having the mindset that they do and the role they have as peacekeepers.

Most of the objections to the Jedi Order come from The Old Republic games. They had to make the Jedi one extreme to counteract the Sith. They had to include features which made the Jedi undesirable to some, so that the Sith side would actually be played. If all the Jedi in those games were wise and understood all the angles like some of our favorite movie heroes, no one would want to play the Sith other than to be the ultimate evil character.

But like I said before, if the Sith code works for you, it works for you.

I see your points valid as they maybe you can always find someone to play a sith wise or not.

[RogueLeader]

Something which I am not sure came up in the original question is WHY the question is asked. Are we talking about why we choose one side or the other, purely from a gaming perspective, or is the question deeper than that? Also, are then answers being given purely fun, gamer based, or are they ideological choices? It seems that most answers, including mine, are the latter.

As a result, you have to look at both sides as more than one dimensional, cartoon characters. This is something that I feel most people fail to do; especially with the Sith, cos' it's soooooo easy! But to some degree with Jedi too. Again, it's so easy; "Sith = Evil, Jedi = Good" This is far too simplistic I feel, though i know that most here don't share my view.

I share it!

And wow. So many points. You really hit the nail on the head. Having one group evil and the other pure good all the time is nothing but a shortcut to bad writing. If you look at my favorite EU works, the majority of them have ignoble Jedi.

[kagemusha shin]

Not so much, and I'm certainly not trying to dominate and control others in my life; but I am seeking to understand and control myself, and I have tried Jedi style "locking out" (or more aptly, locking IN) of things like emotions, passion, fear, anger etc. I've tried living only to help others and being "nice" all the time; and it's got me nowhere.

Now I have a more self-centric view, concluding that if I cannot help MYSELF first, how can I possibly be there for anyone else? I see it much more as a transaction now in which "I" should get something too; and that this isn't a BAD thing.

I'm also seeking to understand and cultivate my anger, so that is no long just the destructive force it has previously been.

There's a LOT more that forum rules prohibit going into.

I have been living by sith code for a while now and not to rule like a king but to be the perfect me there will never be another me am I perfect no but being sith allows me to force my way through life and its fun. I'm not into risking everything for someone it's me myself and I that can only be truly trusted. My anger isn't my power its the control I have over it and using it to gain power if I fall my anger gets me back up (using this a a a reference to say to keep going even though everyone says no).

[Kitra]

Both sides Jedi as well as Sith are very similar in theyre strive to perfection.
One for the gathering of knowledge and wisdom the other one for the same but adding the lust for raw power into that bringing the ego in high esteem as well in the calculation.

Both share the physical training as well as the mental one bringing them toe to toe on battles. No one could be deemed stronger or wiser in any sort.

I dare to say that all and now bear with me. All abilitys skills and personal goals on a physical and intellectual level are equal.

There is only a single exception in theyre balance which seperate them so far from one another that they cannot be compared and never meet the same level of acknowledgement.

Morale.

The morale code of the Sith is nearly nonexistend. They strive for power and do anything to gather as well as keep it. They are faithful to theyr master(s) knowing that only they will be able to bring them to new levels of power until they are asured that they can kill the master in combat or through treachery.
Treachery as the greatest weapon of the Sith is one of the major pillars of a Siths existence never allowing anyone to know him or his abilitys in order to have the advantage of knowledge which comes in handy in theyre power struggles with each other as well as with outsiders.

Lets switch to Jedi. While they are using most of their time studying and exercising in times of peace they are the sworn protectors of everyone who call out for their help. Anyone. Not judging who is worthy to be saved or not. Showing mercy and offering a helpful hand to fallen jedi (no pun intendet ^^).
Working with the Senate they uphold the laws and dutys of the state while setting themselves apart in away which is not felt by anybody else but them. Some upnose Jedi  (especially I am thinking of the chosen one here of course) tend to overstretch the humility they had been shown by the Jedi Masters to “show off” yet they will never bring any living being into danger to further their own goals.

Examples for everything I wrote are many and can be seen in all 6 movies as well as many (if not all) books and comics as well as tv-series.
Personal note:
Everything I wrote till now is written in an very objective fashion so I allow myself here as well to offer my own Idea of living up ideals shown in this story. By the way I would like to add that nearly all our ideals and morales are delivered through storys from stonewalls through books into the newer times of interactive exchange they hold the same value for me if I can learn something from them or find myself intellectually engaged.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

I see that Peace of mind is a state I deem worthy achieving. So I cant say that I see Peace as a lie.
Passion brings strength that is for sure. Yet sometimes the passion overwhelms the one feeling them bringing forth actions which you might regret later on.
Strength and Power is hard to bring together for me. Since I see the greatest Power is the Power of love bringing people together, being determined to overcome any obstacles before them.
Victory… Is live a tournament for many thinking they need to compete with others to survive.
Yet I see that becoming the best you can is not limited or strengthened by the prowess of anyone else since you don’t know their story and his steps you will never walk.
For you own sake you should go your own way following your heart to your go! Your compass to happynes.
Chains? Which chains?
The Force shall free me… I free myself.


There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
(There is no chaos, there is harmony.)(*)
There is no death, there is the Force.
—The Jedi Code (Based on the meditations of Odan-Urr)

Coming to peace with your emotions is the state they are talking about for me since my emotions will never cease. I feel compassion every day and don’t think that it hinders my advance on my path.
No ignorance. That’s a big one. We should always be open to learn I guess you all concur.
Without passion there is no life yet I think they mean that you should feel your passions “in” serenity not allowing them to control you. Jedi teach compassion so I believe its about the positive flow of it knowing that happynes brought is happynes shared.
Chaos as a matter of perception can only have a hold over one if the perspective cannot be altered anymore. Under a certain view everything can be chaotic or in harmony. Your choice.
There is no death there Is the force. Energy can not dissipate. It is everlasting and as a being believing that I am not this crude matter rather an illuminous being I end this post with one of my favorite phrases.

We are not bodys having a soul,
but souls having a body.
 

[kagemusha shin]

Both sides Jedi as well as Sith are very similar in theyre strive to perfection.
One for the gathering of knowledge and wisdom the other one for the same but adding the lust for raw power into that bringing the ego in high esteem as well in the calculation.

Both share the physical training as well as the mental one bringing them toe to toe on battles. No one could be deemed stronger or wiser in any sort.

I dare to say that all and now bear with me. All abilitys skills and personal goals on a physical and intellectual level are equal.

There is only a single exception in theyre balance which seperate them so far from one another that they cannot be compared and never meet the same level of acknowledgement.

Morale.

The morale code of the Sith is nearly nonexistend. They strive for power and do anything to gather as well as keep it. They are faithful to theyr master(s) knowing that only they will be able to bring them to new levels of power until they are asured that they can kill the master in combat or through treachery.
Treachery as the greatest weapon of the Sith is one of the major pillars of a Siths existence never allowing anyone to know him or his abilitys in order to have the advantage of knowledge which comes in handy in theyre power struggles with each other as well as with outsiders.

Lets switch to Jedi. While they are using most of their time studying and exercising in times of peace they are the sworn protectors of everyone who call out for their help. Anyone. Not judging who is worthy to be saved or not. Showing mercy and offering a helpful hand to fallen jedi (no pun intendet ^^).
Working with the Senate they uphold the laws and dutys of the state while setting themselves apart in away which is not felt by anybody else but them. Some upnose Jedi  (especially I am thinking of the chosen one here of course) tend to overstretch the humility they had been shown by the Jedi Masters to “show off” yet they will never bring any living being into danger to further their own goals.

Examples for everything I wrote are many and can be seen in all 6 movies as well as many (if not all) books and comics as well as tv-series.
Personal note:
Everything I wrote till now is written in an very objective fashion so I allow myself here as well to offer my own Idea of living up ideals shown in this story. By the way I would like to add that nearly all our ideals and morales are delivered through storys from stonewalls through books into the newer times of interactive exchange they hold the same value for me if I can learn something from them or find myself intellectually engaged.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

I see that Peace of mind is a state I deem worthy achieving. So I cant say that I see Peace as a lie.
Passion brings strength that is for sure. Yet sometimes the passion overwhelms the one feeling them bringing forth actions which you might regret later on.
Strength and Power is hard to bring together for me. Since I see the greatest Power is the Power of love bringing people together, being determined to overcome any obstacles before them.
Victory… Is live a tournament for many thinking they need to compete with others to survive.
Yet I see that becoming the best you can is not limited or strengthened by the prowess of anyone else since you don’t know their story and his steps you will never walk.
For you own sake you should go your own way following your heart to your go! Your compass to happynes.
Chains? Which chains?
The Force shall free me… I free myself.


There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
(There is no chaos, there is harmony.)(*)
There is no death, there is the Force.
—The Jedi Code (Based on the meditations of Odan-Urr)

Coming to peace with your emotions is the state they are talking about for me since my emotions will never cease. I feel compassion every day and don’t think that it hinders my advance on my path.
No ignorance. That’s a big one. We should always be open to learn I guess you all concur.
Without passion there is no life yet I think they mean that you should feel your passions “in” serenity not allowing them to control you. Jedi teach compassion so I believe its about the positive flow of it knowing that happynes brought is happynes shared.
Chaos as a matter of perception can only have a hold over one if the perspective cannot be altered anymore. Under a certain view everything can be chaotic or in harmony. Your choice.
There is no death there Is the force. Energy can not dissipate. It is everlasting and as a being believing that I am not this crude matter rather an illuminous being I end this post with one of my favorite phrases.

We are not bodys having a soul,
but souls having a body.
 

Very deep but this all does depend on which era of the Jedi order you go by. As far as sith it remains the same.

[Nhylus]

Both sides Jedi as well as Sith are very similar in theyre strive to perfection.
One for the gathering of knowledge and wisdom the other one for the same but adding the lust for raw power into that bringing the ego in high esteem as well in the calculation.

Both share the physical training as well as the mental one bringing them toe to toe on battles. No one could be deemed stronger or wiser in any sort.

I dare to say that all and now bear with me. All abilitys skills and personal goals on a physical and intellectual level are equal.

There is only a single exception in theyre balance which seperate them so far from one another that they cannot be compared and never meet the same level of acknowledgement.

Morale.
*truncated*

That was very well written Kitra, point for you!
On a side note, I found some videos that were pretty cool dealing with the codes.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVYHue20GC0" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVYHue20GC0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcEs1xACPA8" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcEs1xACPA8</a>

And an alternative Jedi Code video.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQLubOuhVuM" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQLubOuhVuM</a>