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Author Topic: So..... Why DID Vader kill the Emperor???  (Read 17850 times)
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« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2019, 09:20:38 PM »

That's pretty much what the consensus is, its why in the EU Sith Lords became specters.  Got to wonder about Mace though since Qui-Gon was the first to figure it out and taught it to Yoda
Oh fah. Qui Gon was not the first. Besides, nobody taught Luke how to commune with a spook. Obi Wan just showed up and started barking orders. And what pray tell is the difference between a specter and a ghost?
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« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2019, 10:22:45 PM »

Oh fah. Qui Gon was not the first. Besides, nobody taught Luke how to commune with a spook. Obi Wan just showed up and started barking orders. And what pray tell is the difference between a specter and a ghost?

Nothing except I like the word so I use it more than Ghost.  But, even then Ghost isn't the right term for Either of them.  Jedi can come and go as they please, so in all sense they are not actual ghosts.  Ghosts are tied to a person, place or object.  Sith Spirits are though so they can be classified as ghosts or more precisely Poltergeists.
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« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2019, 02:05:52 PM »

Nothing except I like the word so I use it more than Ghost.  But, even then Ghost isn't the right term for Either of them.  Jedi can come and go as they please, so in all sense they are not actual ghosts.  Ghosts are tied to a person, place or object.  Sith Spirits are though so they can be classified as ghosts or more precisely Poltergeists.
Even though the latter half of that word literally translates to "ghost". How about the word 'essence'? Not so much free roaming as it is tied to a relic.
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« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2019, 06:33:34 PM »

He saw Luke becoming him. The parallel between  that scene and the scene between Anakin and Dooku... he knows Palpatine played him and screwed his life. When confronted with his son face to face being stronger than he was and refusing to use his anger and accept the dark side, he realized he had to save his son.
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« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2019, 02:54:57 PM »


So, I pose the question:  Which do you think it is?  Or is there a third way?  Did Anakin Skywalker truly redeem himself, or was it just Vader grasping at a last, desperate chance to usurp Darth Sidious and perhaps exact revenge on him for lying to him about being able to keep Padame alive?

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He redeemed himself when the sight of his son being tortured and calling out to him broke through that armor and into the heart of the man who was once Anakin Skywalker. Luke didn't give in to hate and perhaps even more importantly didn't surrender to cynicism. He held to his belief that underneath all that darkness there was soul worth saving.

 Anakin even says to Luke "You were right about me." If Vader had done it just to usurp Palpatine I think he would have still been trying to make Luke turn even with his last breath.
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« Reply #50 on: August 19, 2019, 11:52:36 PM »

Palpatine isn't dead. Watch the trailer for episode nine.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2019, 03:06:24 AM »

Palpatine isn't dead. Watch the trailer for episode nine.  Roll Eyes
Don't put too much stock in the 'Return of Palpatine' just off the teaser trailer.
These things are sometimes deliberately misleading.

I'd point out that the trailers for Force Awakens would have you think Finn was the new Jedi hero.
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« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2019, 03:52:32 AM »

I'd point out that the trailers for Force Awakens would have you think Finn was the new Jedi hero.

I'd like to point out that the first trailer for TFA would have us to think that Finn was the Hero and main character of the sequels.
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« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2019, 12:22:42 PM »

Yeah, so far all we really have is a familiar cackle. Though personally I really would prefer it if The Emperors death in ROTJ was his actual death.
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« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2019, 07:03:08 PM »

Sidious is actually the only play they have. They need a villain that is already established that can be destroyed (again) within the span of a single film, since the idiots wasted 2 movies building up Snoke only to have him go out like a bitch, with no explanations of his plans, motives, or origin.
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« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2019, 07:10:29 PM »

Sidious is actually the only play they have. They need a villain that is already established that can be destroyed (again) within the span of a single film, since the idiots wasted 2 movies building up Snoke only to have him go out like a bitch, with no explanations of his plans, motives, or origin.

Got to lay the blame where it goes....Johnson and KK.  Abrams and Trevorrow had plans which involved Snoke's backstory, Rey's parentage and Luke Surviving.  KK gave Ruin carte blanche for whatever reason and he screwed it.  Why Trevorrow left...
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« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2019, 07:14:22 PM »

Sidious is actually the only play they have. They need a villain that is already established that can be destroyed (again) within the span of a single film, since the idiots wasted 2 movies building up Snoke only to have him go out like a bitch, with no explanations of his plans, motives, or origin.
Got to lay the blame where it goes....Johnson and KK.  Abrams and Trevorrow had plans which involved Snoke's backstory, Rey's parentage and Luke Surviving.  KK gave Ruin carte blanche for whatever reason and he screwed it.  Why Trevorrow left...

From the stuff I'm hearing, I actually have quite a bit of faith that JJ will be able to bring it back to at the very least decent. Plus, every storyline that has ever been opened in the Skywalker Saga (that hasn't been closed) will be resolved. I'm pretty sure this includes Snoke.
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« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2019, 07:21:38 PM »

Got to lay the blame where it goes....Johnson and KK.  Abrams and Trevorrow had plans which involved Snoke's backstory, Rey's parentage and Luke Surviving.  KK gave Ruin carte blanche for whatever reason and he screwed it.  Why Trevorrow left...
I'm stealing this. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

From the stuff I'm hearing, I actually have quite a bit of faith that JJ will be able to bring it back to at the very least decent. Plus, every storyline that has ever been opened in the Skywalker Saga (that hasn't been closed) will be resolved. I'm pretty sure this includes Snoke.
Such as?....
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« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2019, 12:22:10 AM »

I'm stealing this. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Such as?....


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« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2019, 01:07:20 AM »




Yup, pretty much. Which is sad.
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